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Reply #495 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 10:18am

GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 1:55am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 9:45pm:

Decriminalising pot without decriminalising the other drugs is absolutely pointless.

That makes absolutely no sense. Tobacco and Alcohol are considered drugs and they're legal as opposed to the rest. How is Marijuana not eligible for the exact same exception to the rule?

Perhpas the manufacture/refinement of drugs, rather than their possession should be the illegal bit. You smoke weed straight off the tree without doing anything to it, so it's legal. You could chew coca leaves, or smoke opium, but if you refine them into cocaine or heroin, that's when you get in trouble. Of course, this would keep meth and its variants illegal as they are wholly synthesised, so good all round.

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Reply #496 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 11:19am

Emma wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 2:19am:

I hope Muso that you caught 'The Drum' on ABC1.31-01-2012.

They were discussing the recent publishing of the results of an international think-tank on Pot and Prohibition. Can't tell you the name, but its been raised in many recent news programs.
The verdict is in, once again.
Maybe this time pollies will listen. Cool

It's not a subject that interests me much, except from a professional point of view. (some of my reports carry out occupational drug testing)

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Reply #497 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 12:05pm

muso wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

Emma wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 2:19am:

I hope Muso that you caught 'The Drum' on ABC1.31-01-2012.

They were discussing the recent publishing of the results of an international think-tank on Pot and Prohibition. Can't tell you the name, but its been raised in many recent news programs.
The verdict is in, once again.
Maybe this time pollies will listen. Cool

It's not a subject that interests me much, except from a professional point of view. (some of my reports carry out occupational drug testing)

I saw that episode of The Drum. It was the young uber conservative guy talking about it and apparently he attended it along with several cops and health professionals. From what he said, their (and his) conclusions were that the so called "war on drugs" is lost and long ago became counter productive and that now they need to find a way of sending the message to the public that decriminalisation of ALL drugs doesn't mean that the consumption of drugs is perfectly ok.

The argument that somehow pot should be decriminalised (legalisation is neither possible or practical) over all the other substances because it's "natural" is nothing but pure nonsense.

You decriminalise one, you decriminalise them all. Otherwise you are achieving nothing.

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Reply #498 - Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:25am

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

The argument that somehow pot should be decriminalised (legalisation is neither possible or practical) over all the other substances because it's "natural" is nothing but pure nonsense.

I agree. The use of the word "natural" in everything from advocacy to advertising is one these bugbears that annoys the hell out of me. Hemlock is a 100% pure natural ingredient too. Grin

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Reply #499 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 2:04am

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

The argument that somehow pot should be decriminalised (legalisation is neither possible or practical) over all the other substances because it's "natural" is nothing but pure nonsense.

I agree. The use of the word "natural" in everything from advocacy to advertising is one these bugbears that annoys the hell out of me. Hemlock is a 100% pure natural ingredient too. Grin

Life - goes-on - what you're saying is pure nonsense. I know of NO argument based on the fact that Pot grows from the earth, unadulterated , AND SO SHOULD BE LEGALISED>!!
waht a load of BS. And bloody-minded at that.!!

yeah yeah Muso - we know 'natural' doesn't equal safe. I know you have a big problem with that s'posed mindset. But that is such crap. Only morons think that.
You happily assign subhuman intelligence because 'someone ' said 'somewhere' that natural is better, but give us a break.
We've heard this from you countless times .... we know WOW hemlock is poison, or even certain mushrooms , or lead, or ....there are countless natural substances hazardous to humans.

Pot isn't one of them.!! Or at least,' let me just say this '( K Rudd) it's actual import is far out weighed by it's demonised aspect.!!

SUCK THAT. Sad

its just too too sad.!!!!!!!!

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Reply #500 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:59am

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Life - goes-on - what you're saying is pure nonsense. I know of NO argument based on the fact that Pot grows from the earth, unadulterated , AND SO SHOULD BE LEGALISED>!!
waht a load of BS. And bloody-minded at that.!!

That argument has been used time and time again on here in relation to the legalisation of pot.
For example (and only a couple of posts previously):

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Perhpas the manufacture/refinement of drugs, rather than their possession should be the illegal bit. You smoke weed straight off the tree without doing anything to it, so it's legal. You could chew coca leaves, or smoke opium, but if you refine them into cocaine or heroin, that's when you get in trouble. Of course, this would keep meth and its variants illegal as they are wholly synthesised, so good all round.

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Reply #501 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 6:47pm

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

The argument that somehow pot should be decriminalised (legalisation is neither possible or practical) over all the other substances because it's "natural" is nothing but pure nonsense.

I agree. The use of the word "natural" in everything from advocacy to advertising is one these bugbears that annoys the hell out of me. Hemlock is a 100% pure natural ingredient too. Grin

It grows out of the ground, therefore it is natural. Get over yourself.

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Reply #502 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 9:29pm

... wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 1:55am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 9:45pm:

Decriminalising pot without decriminalising the other drugs is absolutely pointless.

That makes absolutely no sense. Tobacco and Alcohol are considered drugs and they're legal as opposed to the rest. How is Marijuana not eligible for the exact same exception to the rule?

Perhpas the manufacture/refinement of drugs, rather than their possession should be the illegal bit. You smoke weed straight off the tree without doing anything to it, so it's legal. You could chew coca leaves, or smoke opium, but if you refine them into cocaine or heroin, that's when you get in trouble. Of course, this would keep meth and its variants illegal as they are wholly synthesised, so good all round.

Well actually I agree with this one. It is quite a reasonable idea for monitoring, and focussing law enforcement where it might do some good.!!!
Thats not happening now.!! And the whole issue of legal/illegal drugs really needs to be looked at much more rationally. For the GOOD of ALL.

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Reply #503 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:58pm

What's that smell when I came into this board? - and why are my eyes watering? What's causing the haze?

What have you people been smoking while I was away? Grin

Hmmm Let me think about how to stir you up some more..........

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yeah yeah Muso - we know 'natural' doesn't equal safe. I know you have a big problem with that s'posed mindset. But that is such crap. Only morons think that.

Somebody? somebody? Just Google "100% Natural" and see. It's a commonly used advertising tactic, so a lot of people must fall for it. Of course none of you lot would ........ Cool

- and nobody extolling the virtues of pot would ever stoop to such a thing Cool

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/

Can somebody tell me the title of that site? I just picked one at random.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #504 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:17pm Been somewhere nice I hope.! Far as I can see nothing has changed. Tell me more.
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Reply #505 - Mar 6^th, 2012 at 1:07am

muso wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:58pm:

What's that smell when I came into this board? - and why are my eyes watering? What's causing the haze?

What have you people been smoking while I was away? Grin

Hmmm Let me think about how to stir you up some more..........

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yeah yeah Muso - we know 'natural' doesn't equal safe. I know you have a big problem with that s'posed mindset. But that is such crap. Only morons think that.

Somebody? somebody? Just Google "100% Natural" and see. It's a commonly used advertising tactic, so a lot of people must fall for it. Of course none of you lot would ........ Cool

- and nobody extolling the virtues of pot would ever stoop to such a thing Cool

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/

Can somebody tell me the title of that site? I just picked one at random.

..well, even arsenic is a legal product in limited dosage.

I don't think that anybody is "extolling" an overall virtue from pot usage, however, it's pretty much been ascertained that pot cannot be attributed to be a higher causation of dysfunctional behaviour or health issue than that of a multitude of legal products out there on the free market today.

It's not just the lesser of two evils, it's the lesser of 1000 evils.
So go ahead Muso, promote your 999 evils. Hope you make a good buck out of it you sly devil you Grin

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #506 - Mar 6^th, 2012 at 1:23am ah Amadd - I agree with you. Muso - you should probably widn your mind.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #507 - Mar 6^th, 2012 at 4:10pm Amadd wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 1:07am: It's not just the lesser of two evils, it's the lesser of 1000 evils. So go ahead Muso, promote your 999 evils. Hope you make a good buck out of it you sly devil you I just come here to stir.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #508 - Mar 7^th, 2012 at 12:50am muso wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 4:10pm: Amadd wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 1:07am: It's not just the lesser of two evils, it's the lesser of 1000 evils. So go ahead Muso, promote your 999 evils. Hope you make a good buck out of it you sly devil you I just come here to stir. Then you should use a more hardy spoon
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #509 - Mar 7^th, 2012 at 1:43am mmm... or get a lackey to stir for you.!! Only kidding Muso.... just ..your stirring could be more ummm ..vigorous.!!
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