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Reply #315 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 11:32am
 
mantra wrote on Jul 30th, 2011 at 9:09am:
I can't speak on behalf of Mozzaok or Muso - but I assume age and experience has determined their use of illegal drugs. I doubt they would publicly declare any of their habits even if there was only a little residue remaining today.


I never tried illegal drugs, but I did drink when I was young (probably too much at times). I also remember a time when people would drink at lunchtime.  Maybe it still happens, but not, as far as I'm aware in major industry.  I work for hazardous industry and I'm also on call by the Queensland government to respond to chemical spills. Consequently, I just don't drink alcohol. It's not worth the risk for me.
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Reply #316 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 2:08pm
 
Sorry Muso. I thought you were hinting that you had tried illegal drugs when you were younger - my error. It's the winks that did it.

Lunchtime drinks are a thing of the past, but 20 years ago - it was a habit a few workplaces places indulged in.
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Reply #317 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 2:45pm
 
It was only 6 years ago that the liquid lunch ended for us in IT at a lot of corporate employers.

Previously it went as far as being perfectly acceptable to use the corporate card to pick up the tab for boozy team lunches - or stocking up the bar for friday afternoon drinks.

It was senior management who kicked up the biggest stink about the no booze rule. As for random testing for booze and drugs:  they went absolutely ballistic.
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Reply #318 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 10:22pm
 
'....why do you appear to be condoning those who do? You obviously had some reservations about how you would perform?  - Mantra

Really?  I do not recall 'condoning' working 'under the influence - of Pot, Or alcohol'.
I was saying it happens.!!.

Of course this was over ten yrs ago.  Who knows now - BUT  I DOUBT its any different.  Do you honestly believe that every working person is straight, at all times???.
More fool you. Same for Muso - who's reply isn't worth the effort, other than this. Smiley

As to my claim to never have worked under the influence -  well that was a bit of a generalisation.  Having worked in many different areas of employment, in different eras, and for different employers,  I'll modify my statement.  When in positions of legal authority - I never worked under the influence - except for those boozey-buzz afternoons I mentioned already, which were more than CONDONED by the senior officers.  That way, they could get pissed as a fart, and no-one said Boo.!!.

My concern - in those positions - was not my ability, nor performance,  .which were of a high standard  Grin ('scuse the pun).. but with being recognised as a pot smoker.  In some circles that was also OK,  but not in the eyes of the higher echelon  hypocrits, - or the public.
I performed my duties to the best of my ability - regardless of the circumstances in which I found myself.
In fact -  the people of Australia -  have benefited from my application to my principles.  Smiley

Also - I found study was so much more productive, and results well received , when essays eg were to be handed in for assessment.  I received 'Distinctions' in all bar one of my subjects, - the last, when I got a credit.
By then - I had moved on.
I perform very well - but not under the influence of alcohol.!@!.  Thats the truth.!!!!!
Believe it or not.!!! Smiley Tongue Tongue





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Reply #319 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 7:08am
 
Emma wrote on Jul 30th, 2011 at 10:22pm:
'....why do you appear to be condoning those who do? You obviously had some reservations about how you would perform?  - Mantra

Really?  I do not recall 'condoning' working 'under the influence - of Pot, Or alcohol'.
I was saying it happens.!!.

Of course this was over ten yrs ago.  Who knows now - BUT  I DOUBT its any different.  Do you honestly believe that every working person is straight, at all times???.
More fool you. Same for Muso - who's reply isn't worth the effort, other than this. Smiley

As to my claim to never have worked under the influence -  well that was a bit of a generalisation.  Having worked in many different areas of employment, in different eras, and for different employers,  I'll modify my statement.  When in positions of legal authority - I never worked under the influence - except for those boozey-buzz afternoons I mentioned already, which were more than CONDONED by the senior officers.  That way, they could get pissed as a fart, and no-one said Boo.!!.

My concern - in those positions - was not my ability, nor performance,  .which were of a high standard  Grin ('scuse the pun).. but with being recognised as a pot smoker.  In some circles that was also OK,  but not in the eyes of the higher echelon  hypocrits, - or the public.
I performed my duties to the best of my ability - regardless of the circumstances in which I found myself.
In fact -  the people of Australia -  have benefited from my application to my principles.  Smiley


Pot is fine for recreational use. It didn't agree with me, although I indulged a little when I was young mainly because of peer pressure. The people who condone those who smoke pot at every available opportunity aren't necessarily hypocrites but probably find pot heads offensive - the way we find alcoholics offensive. Society doesn't have a great deal of tolerance for addicts as most of them appear to be poor achievers through their own self indulgence, not to mention incredibly annoying at times. The smell of bong smoke isn't attractive either.

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Also - I found study was so much more productive, and results well received , when essays eg were to be handed in for assessment.  I received 'Distinctions' in all bar one of my subjects, - the last, when I got a credit.
By then - I had moved on.
I perform very well - but not under the influence of alcohol.!@!.  Thats the truth.!!!!!
Believe it or not.!!! Smiley Tongue Tongue


I assume you're referring to smoking pot while you were studying. You appear to be an exception to have done so well with your brain so tranquilised and I say that because pot isn't reknowned for increasing clarity of mind. Had you thought about how exceptionally bright you might be if you had nothing impairing your mind?

I am not trying to offend you - just point out the negatives and positives.






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Reply #320 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 11:40am
 
mantra wrote on Jul 31st, 2011 at 7:08am:
I assume you're referring to smoking pot while you were studying. You appear to be an exception to have done so well with your brain so tranquilised and I say that because pot isn't reknowned for increasing clarity of mind. Had you thought about how exceptionally bright you might be if you had nothing impairing your mind?


Nothing to do with pot, but it puts me in mind of a brilliant jazz saxophonist I once knew. That guy could put away some drink. During one performance, he slumped in the middle of a band performance and couldn't stand up because he was literally legless. When it came for his solo, he played it absolutely note-perfect from the floor, with his eyes firmly shut.   Grin
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Reply #321 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 7:32pm
 
' Had you thought about how exceptionally bright you might be if you had nothing impairing your mind?

I am not trying to offend you - just point out the negatives and positives'.
- Mantra

No offense taken. 

Of course I have considered the positives and negatives.
Now in my fiftyith decade, I have considered it often.  After nearly 40 yrs of a relationship with this pyschotropic drug I don't resent it in any way.  I resent the legal policy that has made this relationship problematic. Smiley

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Reply #322 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 7:47pm
 
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Of course I have considered the positives and negatives.
Now in my fiftyith decade, I have considered it often.


That would make you over 490 yrs. of age wouldn't it?  Shocked
I gotta get me some of that thar stuff!


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Reply #323 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 8:15pm
 
HeeeHeee  !!!!

Thought there wAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH WHAT i WROTE.   
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Reply #324 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 1:12am
 

Man fined for pot: Grew marijuana in two pots for his own use, court told

29 Jul, 2011 04:00 AM


A MILDURA man who inadvertently drew police to his attention has been fined for growing two cannabis plants in the rear yard of his Seventh Street unit.
The Mildura Magistrates’ Court was this week told that police were called to a Seventh Street residence for an unrelated matter in April this year when noise coming from an adjoining property attracted their attention.

Police prosecutor Senior-Constable Damon Pica told the court that when police peered over the fence they saw the two marijuana plants growing in pots in the back yard.

Sen-Constable Pica said the unit’s resident Derek John Clarke, 37, made full admissions when questioned by police saying that he grew the plants “to save some money”.

Clarke’s defence counsel Bert Hilton-Wood said his client had moved into emergency accommodation after his house was affected by flooding early this year and the plants were for his own personal use.


For more of this story, purchase your copy of Friday's Sunraysia Daily 29/7/2011.

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my comment:
he paid a fine $200 per plant.
If it would be tax instead, i'll agree.
Because tax means benefit for all.i

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Reply #325 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 2:28am
 
'my comment:
he paid a fine $200 per plant.
If it would be tax instead, i'll agree.
Because tax means benefit for all.'
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Quite agree, family.

Pretty steep fine, yeah?
So... see  Mantra?,   that goes on every Court sitting day in pretty well every Court you could name - 'cept maybe SA and ACT.  Unless that's changed - don't live there, and so don't hear about it.!!

What an absolute travesty.!! And so much more - that harms our society.  But I've said it before - so won't say it again. Sad
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Reply #326 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 7:54am
 
I don't disagree too much with the $200/plant fine.
Yes it's a bit steep for what it is, but on the other hand I think it sends a fair enough message that you are able to grow it and use it for yourself (and maybe a few friends), but don't go flaunting it, and don't grow for profit.
If you want to grow a couple of plants for personal use, it's very easily done without bringing attention to yourself IMO.

Of course practically everybody who has used the drug knows that it's nowhere near the big evil that it's touted to be.
In many aspects, it would go a long way towards pointing people in the direction to do their individual bit to help rid the world of the evils that we currently accept as being "The Norm".

..because reality is an illusion due to a lack of marijuana  Grini








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Reply #327 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 7:19pm
 
@Amadd : "I don't disagree too much with the $200/plant fine."

me neither, it's nod about the amount of charge.
It is the kind of charge...what i mean.
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Reply #328 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 8:20pm
 
'............ but on the other hand I think it sends a fair enough message that you are able to grow it and use it for yourself (and maybe a few friends), but don't go flaunting it, and don't grow for profit.
If you want to grow a couple of plants for personal use, it's very easily done without bringing attention to yourself IMO'
. - Amadd


But Amadd, in the example the police were next door -  and some noise made them look over the fence.
And ahha  - 2 whole plants in pots.!!
So you think its acceptable and the grower's fault he  was caught. 

Can't even make a bit of noise in your own back yard - without risk of being arrested -/fined - for 2 plants. !!! Good grief.... Now that isn't what I call crime-fighting. So people have to hide  - in their own homes?? for fear of legal retribution?

Doesn't that sound a mite fascist to you??? Huh


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Reply #329 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 7:31am
 
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Doesn't that sound a mite fascist to you???  Huh


Yes, depending on the circumstances.
If, for example, the plants were being grown around kids, then I'd say that they deserve a fine.
However, if the police were snooping for no reason other than to invade people's privacy, then I think that there should be no charges as they had no right to be leering into private property without permission or a warrant.
"Two plants" obviously means that they are only being grown for personal use. It'd be nice to think that there are still a lot of cops out there that would turn a blind eye.



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