Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ? (Read 1723 times)
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30812
Gender: male
Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:19pm
 
Just heard that the Bailleu Government is contemplating on scrapping the 1.4 billion dollar failed and unworkable Myki ticketing system.

The next question is where did all of the money go and who got it ??

I can't see 1.4 billion of value myself, so the only logical conclusion is that someone's swiss bank account is now full to the brink Wink

Will there be an investigation into this major scam ?
Back to top
 

I only report the news - I don't make it !
 
IP Logged
 
longweekend58
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:45pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:19pm:
Just heard that the Bailleu Government is contemplating on scrapping the 1.4 billion dollar failed and unworkable Myki ticketing system.

The next question is where did all of the money go and who got it ??

I can't see 1.4 billion of value myself, so the only logical conclusion is that someone's swiss bank account is now full to the brink Wink

Will there be an investigation into this major scam ?


Just ask Buzz. he doesnt believe his Labor Overlords are capable of such disaster.
Back to top
 

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #2 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:53pm
 
Just based on the news reports, I could have told you that the Myki system was going to 'crash and burn'...

It was a ridiculously uncoordinated system from day ONE..
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
longweekend58
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #3 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:54pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:53pm:
Just based on the news reports, I could have told you that the Myki system was going to 'crash and burn'...

It was a ridiculously uncoordinated system from day ONE..


politics aside, you can study large-scale disaster like this and see the same symptoms. their complete failure and demise is predictable almost from day one because of the way they set it up. no surprises here...
Back to top
 

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #4 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:58pm
 
Absolutely..it wouldn't have matter WHICH group of idiot pollies brought it in...It was NEVER going to work...
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
longweekend58
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #5 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 6:03pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:58pm:
Absolutely..it wouldn't have matter WHICH group of idiot pollies brought it in...It was NEVER going to work...


and it is put together by the same group of useless publiuc servants that the libs have inherited. A study of large scale commercial disasters show the same issues in play. I havent studied Myki but i bet you have the same committe-style of decision making and the never-settled definition of their task. in smaller projects this leads to massive cost and time over-runs. in large projects it leades to collapse.
Back to top
 

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #6 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 6:03pm
 
And nails, almost certainly NO there will NOT be any sort of investigation..
The petty bureaucrats who rubber stamp these sort of idiotic plans, would leave no trails to the kick backs they get..


And bureaucrats do NOT change, from government to government
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
codswal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2070
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #7 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 6:27pm
 
they probably used the same consultants as the NSW govt did for the CBD Metro..that went the same way but all swept under the carpet..

a CEO of a failed corporate..HIH comes to mind would be jailed..

yet we have to put up with failed govt projects like theres no tomorrow, let them  walk away and take more millions with them..

almost like a reward.

we are the dumbest voters in the world we have got to be..

someone fudges their travel allowance and they get the sack...

someone cost the taxpayer $1.4.billion dollars and nothing happens.!!!!!
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 30812
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #8 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 6:45pm
 
how come if you don't pay your tax for even a small amount you can go to jail ??

Doesn't seem fair does it !!
Back to top
 

I only report the news - I don't make it !
 
IP Logged
 
Miss Anne Dryst
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2296
Sydney
Gender: female
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #9 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 6:48pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:19pm:
Just heard that the Bailleu Government is contemplating on scrapping the 1.4 billion dollar failed and unworkable Myki ticketing system.

The next question is where did all of the money go and who got it ??

I can't see 1.4 billion of value myself, so the only logical conclusion is that someone's swiss bank account is now full to the brink Wink

Will there be an investigation into this major scam ?




Ted's on another winner.
Back to top
 

It's hard to soar like an eagle when conversing with turkeys
 
IP Logged
 
Miss Anne Dryst
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2296
Sydney
Gender: female
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #10 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 6:50pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:45pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:19pm:
Just heard that the Bailleu Government is contemplating on scrapping the 1.4 billion dollar failed and unworkable Myki ticketing system.

The next question is where did all of the money go and who got it ??

I can't see 1.4 billion of value myself, so the only logical conclusion is that someone's swiss bank account is now full to the brink Wink

Will there be an investigation into this major scam ?


Just ask Buzz. he doesnt believe his Labor Overlords are capable of such disaster.





$1.4 Billion dollars wasted, well to put that into the champagne socialists terms would be just a few containers of Dom Perignon and Moet just tipped down the sink!
Back to top
 

It's hard to soar like an eagle when conversing with turkeys
 
IP Logged
 
codswal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2070
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #11 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 6:25am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 6:45pm:
how come if you don't pay your tax for even a small amount you can go to jail ??

Doesn't seem fair does it !!




I wish I knew whgat the answer was.. however I do think we stand a chance of having our say when it come to a referendum on the Republic..

this will happen down the track and we need to stand up and say we wont be voting for nothing unless we get to change things first.

at the last referendum they had down 64 changes to the constitution..neither I nor anyone I knew, had any idea what these changes were..most didnt know they had any changes... thats how bloody sneaky they are. I for one think IF they are going to change the rules....like their" super "for instance then that should be brought forward at election time.. let US have a vote on it.. they want share holders to have a say in CEOs pay rise or bonus'... well wouldnt we like a say in what govts do to change things in their favour?.

its time we made these bastards honest.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mozzaok
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 6741
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #12 - Jan 1st, 2011 at 10:56am
 
It is good to see we have a pretty bi-partisan agreement on this topic, and the question of just how a "Contract" can continually have it's price renegotiated upwards, on the fly, does deserve to be thoroughly investigated, and any and all negligence, incompetence, or corruption, should be made public.
The principle of re-inventing the wheel, everytime someone in the public domain is tasked with delivering a project needs to be changed.
I know the effects in small things like information sharing in the Tertiary Education system for instance, is a source of great frustration for my wife who is a teacher.
When needing to set courses she has to start from scratch each time, rather than merely adapting and personalising a module that someone else has already created.
This not only leads to unnecessary duplication of effort, it also creates an uneven quality of delivery.

When Myki was first mooted, many suggested just adapting one of the ticketing systems that work well overseas, which would have been far less expensive, and far quicker to implement.
We do need to see a more pragmatic attitude developed in our government and public service departments, because every time we waste money in one area, we have to curtail funding to other areas.

So while I do not know if just writing Myki off, as a political gesture, is necessarily the best option, (it may be, but I really don't have enough knowledge of the system to say one way or the other) but I do know that all Victorians deserve to know just how and why this project was allowed to get so far off track, and if any criminal behaviour was involved, we should press for severe penalties being imposed upon any that a court of enquiry rules against.
Back to top
 

OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Myki to be scrapped but who's going to jail ?
Reply #13 - Jan 1st, 2011 at 12:32pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jan 1st, 2011 at 10:56am:
It is good to see we have a pretty bi-partisan agreement on this topic, and the question of just how a "Contract" can continually have it's price renegotiated upwards, on the fly, does deserve to be thoroughly investigated, and any and all negligence, incompetence, or corruption, should be made public.
The principle of re-inventing the wheel, everytime someone in the public domain is tasked with delivering a project needs to be changed.
I know the effects in small things like information sharing in the Tertiary Education system for instance, is a source of great frustration for my wife who is a teacher.
When needing to set courses she has to start from scratch each time, rather than merely adapting and personalising a module that someone else has already created.
This not only leads to unnecessary duplication of effort, it also creates an uneven quality of delivery.

When Myki was first mooted, many suggested just adapting one of the ticketing systems that work well overseas, which would have been far less expensive, and far quicker to implement.
We do need to see a more pragmatic attitude developed in our government and public service departments, because every time we waste money in one area, we have to curtail funding to other areas.

So while I do not know if just writing Myki off, as a political gesture, is necessarily the best option, (it may be, but I really don't have enough knowledge of the system to say one way or the other) but I do know that all Victorians deserve to know just how and why this project was allowed to get so far off track, and if any criminal behaviour was involved, we should press for severe penalties being imposed upon any that a court of enquiry rules against.


Oh it 'should' be investigated, no question Mozz....But I doubt it WILL be...Or if it IS, then it'll be an internal investigation, maybe a couple of bureaucrats will be reassigned, and we'll find out about it when the FOI runs out in 10 or 15 years...
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print