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Question: Should the Goverment of the day do a CBA on their Policies

Yes all Goverment    
  5 (38.5%)
Not any Goverment    
  2 (15.4%)
Only the Labor Goverments    
  0 (0.0%)
Not any Liberal Goverments    
  0 (0.0%)
Goverment doing CBA is all B/S    
  6 (46.2%)




Total votes: 13
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Dec 27th, 2010 at 10:50am
 
Should the Goverment of the day do CBA on ALL their Policies from now on?

If so why should they, if not why not?
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Reply #1 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 11:14am
 
If the government of the day had to do a Cost Benefits Analysis on every piece of legislation nothing would ever get done. Plus the cost to the tax payer would be enormous.

The opposition are just playing politics by asking for a CBA and the opposition cheer squad are too stupid to realise this.
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Reply #2 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 11:17am
 
I went not every government because if the government did a CBA on EVERYTHING, we wouldn't have any Centrelink payments that the Libs complain about and when they receive it, they don't say a thing.
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Reply #3 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:21pm
 
You lot are such retards. It seems you understand not the least smidgen of the notion of judging the benefit of a policy or decsion. You embarrass yourself with your stupidity. ROADS get a CBA. It might not be called that but EVERY road has a process involved that weighs up the benefit of the proposed road against the cost. this is called a COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS. CBAs dont just apply to commercial operations. they also apply to any large expense of money. when you buy a new car you generally do an alalysis of the cost vs the benefit.

you are all just embarrassing yourselves by showing how little you know about decision making and in the process revealing how few decisions you ever get to make.
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Reply #4 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:28pm
 
If you look at who is demanding a Cost Benefit Analysis, you will see only two types, the totally disingenuous, and the totally clueless.
I thought Miss could not get sillier, but then another post shows she can, with her current belief that policy costings and Cost Benefit Analyses are the same thing.
The sad thing is that it is only the wackiest extremists that oppose the NBN, and they like to create the impression that their position is representative of a wider community feeling of discontent, when it is not.
They are like Global Warming denialists that say that huge numbers of scientists do not agree there is Anthropogenic Climate Change, but never quote the statistical fact that 82% of all scientists surveyed do accept it, and 97% of climatologists accept it, but they will never offer those figures, instead preferring to name individual dissenters and try to imply they spearhead significant numbers of like minded scientists, when they do not.

The whole point of a CBA is to give an indication of return on investment for company money, which does not take into account any of the human benefits that we demand our governments to provide us with, so a CBA on it's own is almost completely irrelevant when it comes to government infrastructure spending, and any who fail to recognise that simple fact are totally kidding themselves, I just wish they would stop trying to kid me, because I am not buying that line of BS.
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Reply #5 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:31pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:28pm:
If you look at who is demanding a Cost Benefit Analysis, you will see only two types, the totally disingenuous, and the totally clueless.
I thought Miss could not get sillier, but then another post shows she can, with her current belief that policy costings and Cost Benefit Analyses are the same thing.
The sad thing is that it is only the wackiest extremists that oppose the NBN, and they like to create the impression that their position is representative of a wider community feeling of discontent, when it is not.
They are like Global Warming denialists that say that huge numbers of scientists do not agree there is Anthropogenic Climate Change, but never quote the statistical fact that 82% of all scientists surveyed do accept it, and 97% of climatologists accept it, but they will never offer those figures, instead preferring to name individual dissenters and try to imply they spearhead significant numbers of like minded scientists, when they do not.

The whole point of a CBA is to give an indication of return on investment for company money, which does not take into account any of the human benefits that we demand our governments to provide us with, so a CBA on it's own is almost completely irrelevant when it comes to government infrastructure spending, and any who fail to recognise that simple fact are totally kidding themselves, I just wish they would stop trying to kid me, because I am not buying that line of BS.


Well the actual truth is that you are not buying any line except your own. Any government aiming to beuild such a massive CORPORATION (and it is that) without a CBA is asking for trouble - which is exactly what they will get.
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Reply #6 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:34pm
 
EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.
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Reply #7 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:34pm:
EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.


It can`t be presented any simpler than that.
BTW, the poll is entirely useless and biased.
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Reply #8 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm
 
Did John Howard have a CBA prepared before pouring 15 billion dollars of taxpayers money in to the super accounts of the wealthiest people in Australia?
Didn't think so.
In fact many of the rich who felt they were pressured to invest at a very bad time, because of Howard's policy, are still dirty on that too, because they had to pour their own money in as well to qualify for the government handouts, only to see the GFC make it all go up in smoke, or more literally, disappear into the smoke and mirrors of investment banking.
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Reply #9 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:47pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm:
Did John Howard have a CBA prepared before pouring 15 billion dollars of taxpayers money in to the super accounts of the wealthiest people in Australia?
Didn't think so.
In fact many of the rich who felt they were pressured to invest at a very bad time, because of Howard's policy, are still dirty on that too, because they had to pour their own money in as well to qualify for the government handouts, only to see the GFC make it all go up in smoke, or more literally, disappear into the smoke and mirrors of investment banking.


yes he did. there was a proper cost and benefit analysis done as there is in almost ALL major policies and infrastructure developments. and it wasnt juist the rich as you well know. it was ANYONE with money to invest which includes a lot of people.

What are you SCARED of a CBA on the NBN for? it calims to be a huge benefit and profitable so why not put it to the test? or is your problem that you recognise that it would probably fail? after all, it is proposing to spend tens of billion sof dollars in giving 85% of the population exactly wha they already have!

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Reply #10 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 1:04pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:47pm:
mozzaok wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm:
Did John Howard have a CBA prepared before pouring 15 billion dollars of taxpayers money in to the super accounts of the wealthiest people in Australia?
Didn't think so.
In fact many of the rich who felt they were pressured to invest at a very bad time, because of Howard's policy, are still dirty on that too, because they had to pour their own money in as well to qualify for the government handouts, only to see the GFC make it all go up in smoke, or more literally, disappear into the smoke and mirrors of investment banking.


yes he did. there was a proper cost and benefit analysis done as there is in almost ALL major policies and infrastructure developments. and it wasnt juist the rich as you well know. it was ANYONE with money to invest which includes a lot of people.

What are you SCARED of a CBA on the NBN for? it calims to be a huge benefit and profitable so why not put it to the test? or is your problem that you recognise that it would probably fail? after all, it is proposing to spend tens of billion sof dollars in giving 85% of the population exactly wha they already have!



Sorry LW. I have to disagree. The NBN would actually make it cheaper for us on the Central Coast.

I can't see why we don't do a CBA. It's 93% of us. Not 85%.

Did Howard do a CBA on the war?
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Reply #11 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 1:08pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:47pm:
mozzaok wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm:
Did John Howard have a CBA prepared before pouring 15 billion dollars of taxpayers money in to the super accounts of the wealthiest people in Australia?
Didn't think so.
In fact many of the rich who felt they were pressured to invest at a very bad time, because of Howard's policy, are still dirty on that too, because they had to pour their own money in as well to qualify for the government handouts, only to see the GFC make it all go up in smoke, or more literally, disappear into the smoke and mirrors of investment banking.


yes he did. there was a proper cost and benefit analysis done as there is in almost ALL major policies and infrastructure developments. and it wasnt juist the rich as you well know. it was ANYONE with money to invest which includes a lot of people.

What are you SCARED of a CBA on the NBN for? it calims to be a huge benefit and profitable so why not put it to the test? or is your problem that you recognise that it would probably fail? after all, it is proposing to spend tens of billion sof dollars in giving 85% of the population exactly wha they already have!




Name one infrastructure project that Howard done that had a CBA done on it.
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Reply #12 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 1:10pm
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:34pm:
EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.


It can`t be presented any simpler than that.
BTW, the poll is entirely useless and biased.


Why do you think that poll is entirely useless and biased aussie
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Reply #13 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 1:19pm
 
John S wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 1:10pm:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:34pm:
EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.


It can`t be presented any simpler than that.
BTW, the poll is entirely useless and biased.


Why do you think that poll is entirely useless and biased aussie



Because it only caters for a very narrow view of the subject. Jack, it doesn`t allow for the expression of the views that :

A CBA is warranted in some cases.
or
A CBA is warranted in the case of the NBN.
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James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 1:04pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:47pm:
mozzaok wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm:
Did John Howard have a CBA prepared before pouring 15 billion dollars of taxpayers money in to the super accounts of the wealthiest people in Australia?
Didn't think so.
In fact many of the rich who felt they were pressured to invest at a very bad time, because of Howard's policy, are still dirty on that too, because they had to pour their own money in as well to qualify for the government handouts, only to see the GFC make it all go up in smoke, or more literally, disappear into the smoke and mirrors of investment banking.


yes he did. there was a proper cost and benefit analysis done as there is in almost ALL major policies and infrastructure developments. and it wasnt juist the rich as you well know. it was ANYONE with money to invest which includes a lot of people.

What are you SCARED of a CBA on the NBN for? it calims to be a huge benefit and profitable so why not put it to the test? or is your problem that you recognise that it would probably fail? after all, it is proposing to spend tens of billion sof dollars in giving 85% of the population exactly wha they already have!



Sorry LW. I have to disagree. The NBN would actually make it cheaper for us on the Central Coast.

I can't see why we don't do a CBA. It's 93% of us. Not 85%.

Did Howard do a CBA on the war?


cheaper for one section of the country is not the basis of supporting it. the 85% I referred to were the 85% of people in cities currently with ADLS2+ for whom the NBN offers nothing in its standard form.
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