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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #45 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 2:47pm Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:57am: aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:41pm: What is the big objection to having a CBA on the NBN? What is the problem? The truth being publicised. Looks that way.
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Reply #46 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 2:56pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:25am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:43am:

Repeat for those who can't read or comprehend:

If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.

You can cite a previous example ?

Without getting CBA's confused with Treasury costings

Or is this new standard being demanded by the 'government in exile' one that should apply to Labor Governments - that Coalition governments, past and future, never were and never should be ?

do u honestly think the only consideration in any infrastructure project is accurate costing by treasury?? are you seriously that naive/dumb/stupid? EVERY large infrastructure project has to justify itself. there isnt enough mponey for everything to be approved so only the ones with the greatest need/benefit/effectiveness get approved.

and then there's the NBN...

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Reply #47 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 3:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 2:56pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:25am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:43am:

Repeat for those who can't read or comprehend:

If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.

You can cite a previous example ?

Without getting CBA's confused with Treasury costings

Or is this new standard being demanded by the 'government in exile' one that should apply to Labor Governments - that Coalition governments, past and future, never were and never should be ?

do u honestly think the only consideration in any infrastructure project is accurate costing by treasury?? are you seriously that naive/dumb/stupid? EVERY large infrastructure project has to justify itself. there isnt enough mponey for everything to be approved so only the ones with the greatest need/benefit/effectiveness get approved.

and then there's the NBN...

Today's logic award winner goes to longweekend.
Congratulations longy.

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Reply #48 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 4:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 2:56pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:25am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:43am:

Repeat for those who can't read or comprehend:

If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.

You can cite a previous example ?

Without getting CBA's confused with Treasury costings

Or is this new standard being demanded by the 'government in exile' one that should apply to Labor Governments - that Coalition governments, past and future, never were and never should be ?

do u honestly think the only consideration in any infrastructure project is accurate costing by treasury?? are you seriously that naive/dumb/stupid? EVERY large infrastructure project has to justify itself. there isnt enough mponey for everything to be approved so only the ones with the greatest need/benefit/effectiveness get approved.and then there's the NBN...

That is NOT a Cost Benefit Analysis
It's NOT even CLOSE

A CBA is a

VERY structured, audit process

of costing and business plan
And the reality is

VERY little infrastructure would meet a CBA commercial viability standard

Nor should it HAVE to

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Reply #49 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 5:52pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 2:56pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:25am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:43am:

Repeat for those who can't read or comprehend:

If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.

You can cite a previous example ?

Without getting CBA's confused with Treasury costings

Or is this new standard being demanded by the 'government in exile' one that should apply to Labor Governments - that Coalition governments, past and future, never were and never should be ?

do u honestly think the only consideration in any infrastructure project is accurate costing by treasury?? are you seriously that naive/dumb/stupid? EVERY large infrastructure project has to justify itself. there isnt enough mponey for everything to be approved so only the ones with the greatest need/benefit/effectiveness get approved.and then there's the NBN...

That is NOT a Cost Benefit Analysis
It's NOT even CLOSE

A CBA is a

VERY structured, audit process

of costing and business plan
And the reality is

VERY little infrastructure would meet a CBA commercial viability standard

Nor should it HAVE to

Of course not because an Analysis of the plan to build a road works out the Costs and the Benefits - CBA.

Have you ever had a job that required any independant thought? CBAs are done all the time and nthe bigger the project the bigger and more important the CBA is.

and of COURSE infrastructure meets a CBA standard you uninformed moron. do u see any mention of PROFIT in the words COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS, hmm? Profit CAN be a benefit in a CBA but it it not an essential element. Benefits for infrastructure that have no income of course do not include profit.

serious, you should get out more.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14247 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #50 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:28pm Quote: CBAs are done all the time and nthe bigger the project the bigger and more important the CBA is. Not on national infrastucture CBA's were unheard in the government realm till the opposition attempted to "demand" one on the NBN Quote: you uninformed moron (note the resort to personal abuse when ALL else fails)
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Reply #51 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:37pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:28pm:

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CBAs are done all the time and nthe bigger the project the bigger and more important the CBA is.

Not on national infrastucture
CBA's were unheard in the government realm till the opposition attempted to "demand" one on the NBN

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you uninformed moron

(note the resort to personal abuse when ALL else fails)

as usual VERY wrong. CBAs are part and parcel of ALL major infrastructure. no govt is ever going to agree to a massive spend on a rod or a bridge or a hospital without some analysis of the costs and the benefits.

Honestly, Buzz are you REALLY that silly that you cant see that a CBA is a little more than just a profit and loss statement? I dont value your opinion that much but i never really thought you were a fool. but Im starting to wonder whether Ive granted you more than you deserve. What exactly do you think forms the decision making process in building a road or hospital? It isnt Sim City. People actually need to define the costs and benefits. and in a COMMERCIAL operation, operating expenses and income is one of the benefits that needs to be quantified. Im not going to say it again. If you fail to see that a CBA doesnt apply in much of govt decision making then I wil just put u inthe same box i place people like Green_loses: the place of fools.

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Reply #52 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:25pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:28pm:

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CBAs are done all the time and nthe bigger the project the bigger and more important the CBA is.

Not on national infrastucture
CBA's were unheard in the government realm till the opposition attempted to "demand" one on the NBN

Worryingly, I think he is serious.

I genuinely think the guy would want to go ahead with a national project with no cost-benefit analysis and no payback return....

Still, pretty easy when somebody else is footing the bill I suppose.

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #53 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:30pm If CBAs are so routine and crucial for public infrastructure projects in Australia, then why is it that there appears to be no legislated protocol for undertaking and publishing them on a bipartisan basis - and scant evidence of CBAs being done as a matter of course in the past!?
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Reply #54 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:37pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:28pm:

Quote:

CBAs are done all the time and nthe bigger the project the bigger and more important the CBA is.

Not on national infrastucture
CBA's were unheard in the government realm till the opposition attempted to "demand" one on the NBN

Quote:

you uninformed moron

(note the resort to personal abuse when ALL else fails)

as usual VERY wrong. CBAs are part and parcel of ALL major infrastructure. no govt is ever going to agree to a massive spend on a rod or a bridge or a hospital without some analysis of the costs and the benefits.

Honestly, Buzz are you REALLY that silly that you cant see that a CBA is a little more than just a profit and loss statement? I dont value your opinion that much but i never really thought you were a fool. but Im starting to wonder whether Ive granted you more than you deserve. What exactly do you think forms the decision making process in building a road or hospital? It isnt Sim City. People actually need to define the costs and benefits. and in a COMMERCIAL operation, operating expenses and income is one of the benefits that needs to be quantified. Im not going to say it again. If you fail to see that a CBA doesnt apply in much of govt decision making then I wil just put u inthe same box i place people like Green_loses: the place of fools.

longy name one policy or infrastructure that has had a cost benefit analysis that any federal or state goverment has ever done. They might have done a cost benefit but not a cost benefit analysis.

I bet my bottom dollar that O'Farrell won't do any cost benefit analysis on any infrastructure he starts if he come Premier of NSW.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #55 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:38pm If people want to shoot for this pie-in-the-sky social equality and social advancement and 'good of the people' bollox then let it pass a CBA. Because if it doesn't and you lead policy based on social goals only - well, ladies and gentlemen, you have the Soviet Union, which went bankrupt.
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Reply #56 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:42pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:38pm:

If people want to shoot for this pie-in-the-sky social equality and social advancement and 'good of the people' bollox then let it pass a CBA.

Because if it doesn't and you lead policy based on social goals only -

well, ladies and gentlemen, you have the Soviet Union, which went bankrupt.

And, then you will get the Julia Gillard outburst demanding that her policy pass through both houses, unchallenged, unquestioned and done immediately.
Yes, the Kremlin will be recruiting Julia very very soon.

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Reply #57 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:38pm:

If people want to shoot for this pie-in-the-sky social equality and social advancement and 'good of the people' bollox then let it pass a CBA.

Because if it doesn't and you lead policy based on social goals only -

well, ladies and gentlemen, you have the Soviet Union, which went bankrupt.

The USA has gone bankrupt under a Republican goverment if they haven't why are they printing more money.

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #58 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:55pm John S wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:53pm: The USA has gone bankrupt under a Republican goverment if they haven't why are they printing more money. LOL
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Reply #59 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 10:01pm

A CBA has probably been done on every single govt infrastructure project.

That's if you consider a CBA to be somebody getting an idea, doing a bit of research then kicking that idea around a meeting full of pollies and public servants supplied with lashings of assorted sandwiches and muffins.

But if you're thinking of a CBA as something more formal and extensive, then forget it. At best you'll get a funding proposal which is little better than a prettily bound and colourfully illustrated advertising brochure.

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Question: Should the Goverment of the day do a CBA on their Policies
Yes all Goverment 5 (38.5%) Not any Goverment 2 (15.4%) Only the Labor Goverments 0 (0.0%) Not any Liberal Goverments 0 (0.0%) Goverment doing CBA is all B/S 6 (46.2%) Total votes: 13 « Created by: John S on: Dec 27^th, 2010 at 10:50am »