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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #30 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:18am If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.
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Reply #31 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:41am

viewpoint wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:18am:

If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.

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The Leader of the New South Wales Opposition says he wants to be known as the infrastructure premier and will forfeit his leadership if he cannot deliver on key promises.

If elected, Barry O'Farrell has pledged to complete Sydney's north-west and south-west rail links and begin building either the M4 East or the M5 duplication in his first term.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/27/3102222.htm

So if O'Farrell wins the NSW state elections in March will he do a CBA on these infrastructure projects. If he does what benefit will I get out of them.

He is spending taxpayers money on them.

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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #32 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:43am Repeat for those who can't read or comprehend: If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.
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Reply #33 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:25am

viewpoint wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:43am:

Repeat for those who can't read or comprehend:

If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.

You can cite a previous example ?

Without getting CBA's confused with Treasury costings

Or is this new standard being demanded by the 'government in exile' one that should apply to Labor Governments - that Coalition governments, past and future, never were and never should be ?

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Reply #34 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:36am

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:50pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:

EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.

It can`t be presented any simpler than that.
BTW, the poll is entirely useless and biased.

Why do you think that poll is entirely useless and biased aussie

Because it only caters for a very narrow view of the subject. Jack, it doesn`t allow for the expression of the views that :

A CBA is warranted in some cases.
or
A CBA is warranted in the case of the NBN.

If you look at the opening thread you would of seen I said ALL goverment policies.

Do you think the Goverment should of done a CBA on the $30 pension increase?

What about the Iraq war should there been a CBA done?

What about Howard and his off shore at Nanu should there been a CBA done on that?

The Alice Springs to Dawin Railway line is another one without a CBA

Or do you liberals just want pick on the NBN cause some liberal said it should be done.

As you openly admit, the poll is totally useless in this instance, just a pre schooler`s WOFTAM.

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Reply #35 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:53am

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:50pm:

If you look at the opening thread you would of seen I said ALL goverment policies.

Do you think the Goverment should of done a CBA on the $30 pension increase?

What about the Iraq war should there been a CBA done?

What about Howard and his off shore at Nanu should there been a CBA done on that?

The Alice Springs to Dawin Railway line is another one without a CBA

Or do you liberals just want pick on the NBN cause some liberal said it should be done.

Don't you think that the NBN is a big government expenditure?
Don't you think that the pension increase is insignificant compared to the NBN?
Don't you think that Defence & Border protection are intangible issues?
Don't you think that issues that occurred decades ago are not relevant?
Don't you think that if the ALP demand CBA's of Liberal policies then the ALP should also undergo such CBAs?
Don't you think that if the ALP want to get the green light on this MASSIVE expenditure then they should have a CBA?
Don't you think?

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Reply #36 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:54am

viewpoint wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:18am:

If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.

Not only are the ALP scared of the expense being massive and the benefits being minimal the ALP are also scared that all of the costs would be discovered.

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #37 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:57am aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:41pm: What is the big objection to having a CBA on the NBN? What is the problem? The truth being publicised.
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Reply #38 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:18am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:01pm:

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:50pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:

EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.

It can`t be presented any simpler than that.
BTW, the poll is entirely useless and biased.

Why do you think that poll is entirely useless and biased aussie

Because it only caters for a very narrow view of the subject. Jack, it doesn`t allow for the expression of the views that :

A CBA is warranted in some cases.
or
A CBA is warranted in the case of the NBN.

If you look at the opening thread you would of seen I said ALL goverment policies.

Do you think the Goverment should of done a CBA on the $30 pension increase?

What about the Iraq war should there been a CBA done?

What about Howard and his off shore at Nanu should there been a CBA done on that?

The Alice Springs to Dawin Railway line is another one without a CBA

Or do you liberals just want pick on the NBN cause some liberal said it should be done.

ur an idiot. of COURSE the pension increase had a CBA. how do u think they know what it would cost and woul dit be affordable?

Can we accept the distinction, here, between a

TREASURY COSTING

and a

COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS

?

Some seem to think they are one in the same

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Reply #39 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:18am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:25am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:43am:

Repeat for those who can't read or comprehend:

If the taxpayer’s money is being spent by the government, then of course a CBA should be done, only the idiot left would think otherwise. They are sh it scared the cost far outweighs the benefit, and it will be made clear to all.

You can cite a previous example ?

Without getting CBA's confused with Treasury costings

Or is this new standard being demanded by the 'government in exile' one that should apply to Labor Governments - that Coalition governments, past and future, never were and never should be ?

That is the trouble buzz there is at least 3 on here that thinks that treasury costing is the same as a CBA.

Here is a example of the diffence between costing and CBA for those that don't know. I make it simple so 3 of you can understand it.

2 people want to buy a car.

The first guy want a Commodore so he goes to all the Holden dealerships and get the best price for his car and buys it.

That would be class as costing.

The second guy doesn't care what type of car he gets. He knows roughly what kind of car he wants so he goes to all different dealerships and gets prices for the type of car he wants.

That would be class as the cost.

He goes home and weights up all the benefit he can get out of each different cars he has look at.

That would be class as the benefit.

Then he would see which one would have the best resale value when he wants to sell it.

That would be class as analysis.

The first guy brought his car on costing the second guy done a cost benefit analysis before he brought his car.

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Reply #40 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:36am

After the massive rorts that have already been uncovered from the ALP policies (eg BER, pink batts) then EVERY policy from the ALP MUST now undergo a CBA.
Only stupid fools would allow the ALP to spend without a CBA, and that would include just running acrosss to the corner milk bar to get the milk, bread & newspaper.
No one trusts the ALP anymore, this is why the CBA is a mandatory requirement.

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Reply #41 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 10:07am

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 8:12pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:41pm:

What is the big objection to having a CBA on the NBN? What is the problem?

Except to the extent it has Mellie, it will not happen. Now.....bugger orf.

The NBN will happen.

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Holy crap, you are a blatant outright freaking liar longy, an absolute lying fraud.

Well, buggar me. Moz you know as well most of the Board that this person is mellie. Why you, as a Mod, keep accommodating them is a major mystery to me.

LOL Aussie, she uses proxies, probably hidemyfatass.

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Reply #42 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 12:28pm

FRED. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:06pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:49pm:

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You have to be blind if you can't see the benefits of it.

The silly old bugger can see it James, its just that its not Abbott party policy ATM,so longy being the good little neo con sheeple that he is must condemn it. Once Abbott gets the ass as leader of the Libs, and the Libs embrace it, so will longy.
I'll bet he's the first in his street to have it.

Time will tell if the sheep will follow their master....

like you follow your daddy

What.... and you don't??

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Reply #43 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 12:35pm

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:06pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:49pm:

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You have to be blind if you can't see the benefits of it.

The silly old bugger can see it James, its just that its not Abbott party policy ATM,so longy being the good little neo con sheeple that he is must condemn it. Once Abbott gets the ass as leader of the Libs, and the Libs embrace it, so will longy.
I'll bet he's the first in his street to have it.

Time will tell if the sheep will follow their master....

like you follow your daddy

What.... and you don't??

Sorry son back to maccas for you

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Reply #44 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 12:39pm

FRED. wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 12:35pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:06pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:49pm:

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You have to be blind if you can't see the benefits of it.

The silly old bugger can see it James, its just that its not Abbott party policy ATM,so longy being the good little neo con sheeple that he is must condemn it. Once Abbott gets the ass as leader of the Libs, and the Libs embrace it, so will longy.
I'll bet he's the first in his street to have it.

Time will tell if the sheep will follow their master....

like you follow your daddy

What.... and you don't??

Sorry son back to maccas for you

Nah, I'm sure you would feel more at home doing the hard work for a change.

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Question: Should the Goverment of the day do a CBA on their Policies
Yes all Goverment 5 (38.5%) Not any Goverment 2 (15.4%) Only the Labor Goverments 0 (0.0%) Not any Liberal Goverments 0 (0.0%) Goverment doing CBA is all B/S 6 (46.2%) Total votes: 13 « Created by: John S on: Dec 27^th, 2010 at 10:50am »