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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #15 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:37pm We expect you to provide the Howard gov CBA on the super accounts longy, or else you'll just look like a liar, AGAIN.There's a good chappy.
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Reply #16 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:20pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:47pm:

mozzaok wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

Did John Howard have a CBA prepared before pouring 15 billion dollars of taxpayers money in to the super accounts of the wealthiest people in Australia?
Didn't think so.
In fact many of the rich who felt they were pressured to invest at a very bad time, because of Howard's policy, are still dirty on that too, because they had to pour their own money in as well to qualify for the government handouts, only to see the GFC make it all go up in smoke, or more literally, disappear into the smoke and mirrors of investment banking.

yes he did. there was a proper cost and benefit analysis done as there is in almost ALL major policies and infrastructure developments. and it wasnt juist the rich as you well know. it was ANYONE with money to invest which includes a lot of people.

What are you SCARED of a CBA on the NBN for? it calims to be a huge benefit and profitable so why not put it to the test? or is your problem that you recognise that it would probably fail? after all, it is proposing to spend tens of billion sof dollars in giving 85% of the population exactly wha they already have!

Sorry LW. I have to disagree. The NBN would actually make it cheaper for us on the Central Coast.

I can't see why we don't do a CBA. It's 93% of us. Not 85%.

Did Howard do a CBA on the war?

cheaper for one section of the country is not the basis of supporting it. the 85% I referred to were the 85% of people in cities currently with ADLS2+ for whom the NBN offers nothing in its standard form.

LW, you can be idiotic sometimes. We have ADSL2+ and in the cities it will be cheaper while it is making speed faster. You have to be blind if you can't see the benefits of it.

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Reply #17 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:49pm

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You have to be blind if you can't see the benefits of it.

The silly old bugger can see it James, its just that its not Abbott party policy ATM,so longy being the good little neo con sheeple that he is must condemn it. Once Abbott gets the ass as leader of the Libs, and the Libs embrace it, so will longy.
I'll bet he's the first in his street to have it.

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Reply #18 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:56pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:49pm:

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You have to be blind if you can't see the benefits of it.

The silly old bugger can see it James, its just that its not Abbott party policy ATM,so longy being the good little neo con sheeple that he is must condemn it. Once Abbott gets the ass as leader of the Libs, and the Libs embrace it, so will longy.
I'll bet he's the first in his street to have it.

Time will tell if the sheep will follow their master....

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Reply #19 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:06pm

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:49pm:

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You have to be blind if you can't see the benefits of it.

The silly old bugger can see it James, its just that its not Abbott party policy ATM,so longy being the good little neo con sheeple that he is must condemn it. Once Abbott gets the ass as leader of the Libs, and the Libs embrace it, so will longy.
I'll bet he's the first in his street to have it.

Time will tell if the sheep will follow their master....

like you follow your daddy

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Reply #20 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:32pm

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:20pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:47pm:

mozzaok wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

Did John Howard have a CBA prepared before pouring 15 billion dollars of taxpayers money in to the super accounts of the wealthiest people in Australia?
Didn't think so.
In fact many of the rich who felt they were pressured to invest at a very bad time, because of Howard's policy, are still dirty on that too, because they had to pour their own money in as well to qualify for the government handouts, only to see the GFC make it all go up in smoke, or more literally, disappear into the smoke and mirrors of investment banking.

yes he did. there was a proper cost and benefit analysis done as there is in almost ALL major policies and infrastructure developments. and it wasnt juist the rich as you well know. it was ANYONE with money to invest which includes a lot of people.

What are you SCARED of a CBA on the NBN for? it calims to be a huge benefit and profitable so why not put it to the test? or is your problem that you recognise that it would probably fail? after all, it is proposing to spend tens of billion sof dollars in giving 85% of the population exactly wha they already have!

Sorry LW. I have to disagree. The NBN would actually make it cheaper for us on the Central Coast.

I can't see why we don't do a CBA. It's 93% of us. Not 85%.

Did Howard do a CBA on the war?

cheaper for one section of the country is not the basis of supporting it. the 85% I referred to were the 85% of people in cities currently with ADLS2+ for whom the NBN offers nothing in its standard form.

LW, you can be idiotic sometimes. We have ADSL2+ and in the cities it will be cheaper while it is making speed faster. You have to be blind if you can't see the benefits of it.

speaking of the blind... CAN YOU READ??? even the NBN claims it wil NOT be cheaper than existing ADSL2+ and its standard speed will be no faster (12Mbs). If you want to debate then at least try and understand the flow of the argument!

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Reply #21 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:50pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:

EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.

It can`t be presented any simpler than that.
BTW, the poll is entirely useless and biased.

Why do you think that poll is entirely useless and biased aussie

Because it only caters for a very narrow view of the subject. Jack, it doesn`t allow for the expression of the views that :

A CBA is warranted in some cases.
or
A CBA is warranted in the case of the NBN.

If you look at the opening thread you would of seen I said ALL goverment policies.

Do you think the Goverment should of done a CBA on the $30 pension increase?

What about the Iraq war should there been a CBA done?

What about Howard and his off shore at Nanu should there been a CBA done on that?

The Alice Springs to Dawin Railway line is another one without a CBA

Or do you liberals just want pick on the NBN cause some liberal said it should be done.

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Reply #22 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:01pm

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:50pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:

EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.

It can`t be presented any simpler than that.
BTW, the poll is entirely useless and biased.

Why do you think that poll is entirely useless and biased aussie

Because it only caters for a very narrow view of the subject. Jack, it doesn`t allow for the expression of the views that :

A CBA is warranted in some cases.
or
A CBA is warranted in the case of the NBN.

If you look at the opening thread you would of seen I said ALL goverment policies.

Do you think the Goverment should of done a CBA on the $30 pension increase?

What about the Iraq war should there been a CBA done?

What about Howard and his off shore at Nanu should there been a CBA done on that?

The Alice Springs to Dawin Railway line is another one without a CBA

Or do you liberals just want pick on the NBN cause some liberal said it should be done.

ur an idiot. of COURSE the pension increase had a CBA. how do u think they know what it would cost and woul dit be affordable? Honestly, do you breathe unaided?

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Reply #23 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:01pm:

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:50pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

John S wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:

EVEN a CBA can articulate non-financial benefits. In fact, if any of you retards had ever seen or read one you will know that a CBA doesnt necessarily have to only list FINANCIAL benefits. If Gillard-the-incompetent had any faith in the NBN shoudl would order a CBA to actually articulate its benefits - financial and otherwise. But the benefits are not there as she claims and never have been.

It can`t be presented any simpler than that.
BTW, the poll is entirely useless and biased.

Why do you think that poll is entirely useless and biased aussie

Because it only caters for a very narrow view of the subject. Jack, it doesn`t allow for the expression of the views that :

A CBA is warranted in some cases.
or
A CBA is warranted in the case of the NBN.

If you look at the opening thread you would of seen I said ALL goverment policies.

Do you think the Goverment should of done a CBA on the $30 pension increase?

What about the Iraq war should there been a CBA done?

What about Howard and his off shore at Nanu should there been a CBA done on that?

The Alice Springs to Dawin Railway line is another one without a CBA

Or do you liberals just want pick on the NBN cause some liberal said it should be done.

ur an idiot. of COURSE the pension increase had a CBA. how do u think they know what it would cost and woul dit be affordable? Honestly, do you breathe unaided?

The pension increase did not have a CBA done it just had costing done which is completly different.

Do you even know the diffence between CBA and Costing. If you don't ask our "GREAT ACCOUNTANT" andrei. Don't forget he went to universty so he knows.

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Reply #25 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:47pm:

mozzaok wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

Did John Howard have a CBA prepared before pouring 15 billion dollars of taxpayers money in to the super accounts of the wealthiest people in Australia?
Didn't think so.
In fact many of the rich who felt they were pressured to invest at a very bad time, because of Howard's policy, are still dirty on that too, because they had to pour their own money in as well to qualify for the government handouts, only to see the GFC make it all go up in smoke, or more literally, disappear into the smoke and mirrors of investment banking.

yes he did. there was a proper cost and benefit analysis done as there is in almost ALL major policies and infrastructure developments. and it wasnt juist the rich as you well know. it was ANYONE with money to invest which includes a lot of people.

What are you SCARED of a CBA on the NBN for? it calims to be a huge benefit and profitable so why not put it to the test? or is your problem that you recognise that it would probably fail? after all, it is proposing to spend tens of billion sof dollars in giving 85% of the population exactly wha they already have!

Holy crap, you are a blatant outright freaking liar longy, an absolute lying fraud.
You know jackshite about anything, so just make up total bullshite to impress maroons like miss, who could not tell shite from shoe polish if she was eating it.

Did Howard do a CBA on the handout to the rich, is what I asked, and you pronounce, "Yes he did".
LIAR, FRAUD, and a waste of time.

I actually learn stuff here from people with opposing views to my own, but nobody can learn anything from you, because they could not trust a word you say.

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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #26 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:41pm What is the big objection to having a CBA on the NBN? What is the problem?
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Reply #27 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 8:12pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:41pm:

What is the big objection to having a CBA on the NBN? What is the problem?

Except to the extent it has Mellie, it will not happen. Now.....bugger orf.

The NBN will happen.

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Holy crap, you are a blatant outright freaking liar longy, an absolute lying fraud.

Well, buggar me. Moz you know as well most of the Board that this person is mellie. Why you, as a Mod, keep accommodating them is a major mystery to me.

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Reply #28 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 8:31pm

This is just any infrstructure project, it is the largest single ticket item ever undertaken in Australian history.

If we can get a CBA done on that, then we dont stand a chance getting one done ever again.

We do them at work for any new projects over a certain figure, and any refurbishment of existing infrastructure over a certain figure.

And for the record, a CBA isnt just about dollars.

If the CBA comes back with ticks for the NBN, I will support it. If a government refuses to do one I will never back it because it looks like a government has something to hide, and that scares me more than anything.

This isnt putting up a couple of school halls, its a $43billion investment, how could you consider doing that without a CBA.

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Reply #29 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 10:15pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:41pm:

What is the big objection to having a CBA on the NBN? What is the problem?

[quote author=buzzanddidj link=1293112081/75#82 date=1293444224]

ALL government infrastucture funding is subject to Treasury costing -NBN included
As it WAS
And as it SHOULD be

NO infrastructure investment should be the subject of any CBA or "return on (said) investment" as is the expectation in the private sector

This sets a

VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT

for future investment by governments -

"if it doesn't show a projected level of sufficient financial return, don't build it" mentality

- applying to public hospitals, roads, rail lines and everything inbetween

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Poll
Question: Should the Goverment of the day do a CBA on their Policies
Yes all Goverment 5 (38.5%) Not any Goverment 2 (15.4%) Only the Labor Goverments 0 (0.0%) Not any Liberal Goverments 0 (0.0%) Goverment doing CBA is all B/S 6 (46.2%) Total votes: 13 « Created by: John S on: Dec 27^th, 2010 at 10:50am »