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Reply #195 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:51pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:35pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:29pm:

It's not my country.

But my point still stands, the United States is the closest nation to the free market economy we have in this world.

Hence CBA's would be the rule and in the USA we do not embark upon social large scale spending.

Hence why have lower sales tax, lower income tax and a higher standard of living.

Actually, you don't have a higher standard of living.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2010_EN_Table1.pdf

I'm talking about everyday Americans.
Those figures are weighed down by people we never even see.

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Reply #196 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:52pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:35pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:29pm:

It's not my country.

But my point still stands, the United States is the closest nation to the free market economy we have in this world.

Hence CBA's would be the rule and in the USA we do not embark upon social large scale spending.

Hence why have lower sales tax, lower income tax and a higher standard of living.

Actually, you don't have a higher standard of living.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2010_EN_Table1.pdf

I'm talking about everyday Americans.
Those figures are weighed down by people we never even see.

Oh you mean those that sleep in gutters and live in subway passageways? Yeh I suppose if you were to take poverty out of the equation America would...still be fourth.

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Reply #197 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:59pm

If you judge a country on its base level people you are hardly judging how the vast majority live are you?

That's like going to New York city, seeing a drunk tramp on a park bench and declaring New Yorkers to be living in squalor and destitute.

I am talking here about everyday Americans out in the outer suburbs of all the major cities across the country.
Not inner city, destitute areas - we never even see those people.

We, on average, have a higher standard of living and lower taxes.
Why?

Well to come full circle, in the United States the Federal Government doesn't embark on absurd social programs which do not offer pay back in capital spend.

Like this NBN idiocy.

This Obama-Care madness is an example of the uproar caused when anything akin to that is suggested.

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Reply #198 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:01pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:59pm:

If you judge a country on its base level people you are hardly judging how the vast majority live are you?

That's like going to New York city, seeing a drunk tramp on a park bench and declaring New Yorkers to be living in squalor and destitute.

I am talking here about everyday Americans out in the outer suburbs of all the major cities across the country.
Not inner city, destitute areas - we never even see those people.

We, on average, have a higher standard of living and lower taxes.
Why?

Well to come full circle, in the United States the Federal Government doesn't embark on absurd social programs which do not offer pay back in capital spend.

Like this NBN idiocy.

This Obama-Care madness is an example of the uproar caused when anything akin to that is suggested.

Actually New York has a very good living standard and quite a nice place. It's the outer suburbs of the US where the loonies are. Most probably without places like Manhattan the US would fall to 100 on the HDI.

BTW, HDI includes the entirety of the population and doesn't pick and choose. And Australia is above the US. Awww Sad

poor you.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #199 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:10pm But the point is, why would your everyday person care about the base level folk who we never even see?? You never mix with them, you never interact with them. Sure they are there, but so what? To include them as some kind of level on standard of living is just silly.
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Reply #200 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:10pm:

It certainly is a white elephant.

Anyone remember we said this about Fuelwatch?

How did that go?

Great guns -

real value for our money

wasn't it.

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It was SABOTAGED, by a hostile Senate, with the Rev. Fielding tipping the balance
As has been the case with MUCH of Labor's reform package, it took to the 2007 Federal Election

It was never given a CHANCE to "fail" - as a few tossers would have it

However, FuelWatch W.A. (introduced by the previous state Labor government) has been found to be such "real value for our money" it has been retained as a consumer service by the present Liberal government

http://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au/

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Reply #201 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:47pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:10pm:

It certainly is a white elephant.

Anyone remember we said this about Fuelwatch?

How did that go?

Great guns -

real value for our money

wasn't it.

\

It was SABOTAGED, by a hostile Senate, with the Rev. Fielding tipping the balance
As has been the case with MUCH of Labor's reform package, it took to the 2007 Federal Election

It was never given a CHANCE to "fail" - as a few tossers would have it

However, FuelWatch W.A. (introduced by the previous state Labor government) has been found to be such "real value for our money" it has been retained as a consumer service by the present Liberal government

http://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au/

"value for money" is such an interesting turn of phrase. Since it didnt reduce the price of petrol at all the value was what? information on the chepest price of fuel - info that was 24 hours old? the WA people I know are barely aware it even exists.

my biggest gripe with FuelWatch is that it had a $100M budget!! to set up a website!!!

it it was $2M then fine, but just as in the case of the NBN, someone, soemwhere has to ask the question 'is it worth it'?

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Reply #202 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:50pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:10pm:

It certainly is a white elephant.

Anyone remember we said this about Fuelwatch?

How did that go?

Great guns -

real value for our money

wasn't it.

\

It was SABOTAGED, by a hostile Senate, with the Rev. Fielding tipping the balance
As has been the case with MUCH of Labor's reform package, it took to the 2007 Federal Election

It was never given a CHANCE to "fail" - as a few tossers would have it

However, FuelWatch W.A. (introduced by the previous state Labor government) has been found to be such "real value for our money" it has been retained as a consumer service by the present Liberal government

http://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au/

One consistent trait of bad losers is their blindess to hypocrisy. Howard battled a hostile senate for 9 of his 12 years. but unlike Rudd, he know how to compromise and negotiate, plus he had a lot more proper policies to implement unlike Rudds legacy of stunts, symbolism and failures.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #203 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:59pm:

If you judge a country on its base level people you are hardly judging how the vast majority live are you?

That's like going to New York city, seeing a drunk tramp on a park bench and declaring New Yorkers to be living in squalor and destitute.

I am talking here about everyday Americans out in the outer suburbs of all the major cities across the country.
Not inner city, destitute areas - we never even see those people.

We, on average, have a higher standard of living and lower taxes.
Why?

Well to come full circle, in the United States the Federal Government doesn't embark on absurd social programs which do not offer pay back in capital spend.

Like this NBN idiocy.

This Obama-Care madness is an example of the uproar caused when anything akin to that is suggested.

My goodness you fail in that most basic of tests of humanity - compassion. Contrary to what you say, THE LITMUS test on any society is how it treats its poor and its vulnerable - not how wealthy it is.

I agree with little that Buzz says and I find his attitudes childish at times. But in the humanity stakes, he ranks well above you. Right or wrong, at least he cares for his community. You care for yourself and your mother. beyond that I doubt you even KNOW, nevermind give a toss.

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #204 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 5:16pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 1:10pm: It certainly is a white elephant. Anyone remember we said this about Fuelwatch? How did that go? Great guns - real value for our money wasn't it. The ALP have a propensity for white elephants.
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Question: Should the Goverment of the day do a CBA on their Policies
Yes all Goverment 5 (38.5%) Not any Goverment 2 (15.4%) Only the Labor Goverments 0 (0.0%) Not any Liberal Goverments 0 (0.0%) Goverment doing CBA is all B/S 6 (46.2%) Total votes: 13 « Created by: John S on: Dec 27^th, 2010 at 10:50am »