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Reply #120 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 3:49pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 3:39pm:

In Britain we learn French at 11 and German at 12. We also travel outside our own country from an early age.

Aussies do neither.

By teenage years, everyone my mother knew could speak two languages fluently Afikaans and English and also had a considerable appreciation of the differing cultures that made up the country. Namely British and Afrikaner.

You can say a few things about the differences between Australia and the two nations you mentioned - more culturally advanced are not two.

PS - as regards holding drinking. It isn't us that serves beer in milk beaker sizes instead of pints.

While I am not going to suggest skippy is correct in his opinion that Aussies are more culturally aware than the Brits and South Africans, I will say that Australia has not had a national curriculum but the MAJORITY of our public schools make it compulsory to learn a language, be it Koren, Japanese, German, French, etc in Year 7 and 8. You can then continue in Years 9 and 10, 11 and 12.

As for travelling, Aussies travel just as much as the rest of the western world and your assertion is incorrect.

As for us being more culturally advanced...debatable. Do we have less crime per capita than England and the US? Yes. Have we become more acceptive of multiculturalism? With the debate around refugees AND the past issues such as the muslim mosque, cronulla, etc, probably not.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #121 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 3:53pm Quote: While I am not going to suggest skippy is correct in his opinion that Aussies are more culturally aware than the Brits and South Africans Skippy didn't say that, only a pompous ass would assert his heritage was more cultured than another, Hi Andrei.
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John S Gold Member Offline Fascist Party = Liberal Party Posts: 3691 Gender:	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #122 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 4:02pm notice how the Liberals turn the debate around when they can't answer the question or they are losing the debate. So I will ask again What goverment in Australia history, either Federal or State has even done a CBA?
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Reply #123 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 4:08pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 3:39pm:

In Britain we learn French at 11 and German at 12. We also travel outside our own country from an early age.

Aussies do neither.

By teenage years, everyone my mother knew could speak two languages fluently Afikaans and English and also had a considerable appreciation of the differing cultures that made up the country. Namely British and Afrikaner.

You can say a few things about the differences between Australia and the two nations you mentioned - more culturally advanced are not two.

PS - as regards holding drinking. It isn't us that serves beer in milk beaker sizes instead of pints.

must all your references refer to your mother or father? dont you have any unrelated friends? and visiting other countries is a tad easier when you can literally SWIM to them and a plane flight is under an hour.

And if Europe is so 'advanced' how come it is bankrupt from coast to coast while we are not?

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Reply #124 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 4:10pm

John S wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 4:02pm:

notice how the Liberals turn the debate around when they can't answer the question or they are losing the debate.

So I will ask again

What goverment in Australia history, either Federal or State has even done a CBA?

EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS - labor and liberal. the problem is you have absolutely no idea of cost benefit analysis or even what it is. everytime you repeat this rubbish you look stupider and stupider.

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Reply #125 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 5:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 4:10pm:

John S wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 4:02pm:

notice how the Liberals turn the debate around when they can't answer the question or they are losing the debate.

So I will ask again

What goverment in Australia history, either Federal or State has even done a CBA?

EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS - labor and liberal..

BULLSHIT !

They do

TREASURY COSTINGS

That's IT

Do you think all the

"pork barrelling"

that goes on before elections (by ALL parties) is run by any CBA ?

For Christ's sake - they throw in freeways 10 minutes before the booths open

If this were the case, there would be evidence in Hansard - or Senate inquiries transcripts

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Reply #126 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:17pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

The point I`d like to make is. Whether CBA`s have been done before or not is totally irrelevant, and to harp on about prior Government projects in this vein is nothing more than declared stupidity. The use of this "tactic" in debate is exactly equal to declaring that one is too stupid to continue the debate, and needs to stall all inteligent discourse.

To request a CBA ofr a project of the magnitude of the proposed NBN is reasonable and sensible. To oppose a CBA on this project is an admission of shonky practice.

exactly.
Especially given the ALP's pathetic history in the last 3 years of shonkiness and rorts. Together with the ALP's massive over spending (eg BER, pink batts)

Only a complete twit would give Julia Gillard's NBN the green light without a CBA.

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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: Goverments & CBAs Reply #127 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:18pm Soooo, what is to fear so much from a CBA? The truth?
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Reply #128 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:31pm

tell you one govt that wouldnt have ever done a CBA NSW Labor Govt..

they are now digging up the Victoria Road in Sydney only one of the main arteries.for the second time because the first time they didnt lay the correct heavy duty bitumen so it all get done over again...lol.. typical Labor everything gets done twice... only another $1million dollars to be spent as well as instead of six lanes only two for weeks on end..btw Keanelly says it was all costed in they new the first road they resealed wouldnt hold the skips that they use to move the concrete blocks they use to open up and divide the lanes..lol..

how she can stand there and say this stuff is amazing.

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Reply #129 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 9:15pm

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tell you one govt that wouldnt have ever done a CBA NSW Labor Govt..

I'll agree with that for most cases. BUt neither did the previous NSW State Govt - again in most cases.

I saw them spend tens of millions on education infrastructure which started off as lobbying by one particular group within a department and progressed with nothing more than rough costings and an effective sales pitch followed by a collective nodding of heads.

The end result was a bunch of big new buildings (all of whom have been put to excellent use ever since), lots of new equipment and a photoi op for the premier at the time.

But was any kind of unbiased or detailed CBA done? no.

But in your example, a cost benefit analysis wouldn't have made any difference. The fault with that is with the acceptance of an improperly spec'd out project.

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Reply #130 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:03am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

The point I`d like to make is. Whether CBA`s have been done before or not is totally irrelevant, and to harp on about prior Government projects in this vein is nothing more than declared stupidity. The use of this "tactic" in debate is exactly equal to declaring that one is too stupid to continue the debate, and needs to stall all inteligent discourse.

To request a CBA ofr a project of the magnitude of the proposed NBN is reasonable and sensible. To oppose a CBA on this project is an admission of shonky practice.

exactly.
Especially given the ALP's pathetic history in the last 3 years of shonkiness and rorts. Together with the ALP's massive over spending (eg BER, pink batts)

Only a complete twit would give Julia Gillard's NBN the green light without a CBA.

Let's pretend the CBA was done. Considering how subjective CBA's actually are, what would it need to say for you to get over it and accept this is a good project?

And the whole point as to why the question of other CBAs performed by other governments has been arked on so much about was because Miss Anne decided she would point out all other governments did one, without offering a source. Then she hid. Bravo.

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Reply #131 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:05am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:03am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

The point I`d like to make is. Whether CBA`s have been done before or not is totally irrelevant, and to harp on about prior Government projects in this vein is nothing more than declared stupidity. The use of this "tactic" in debate is exactly equal to declaring that one is too stupid to continue the debate, and needs to stall all inteligent discourse.

To request a CBA ofr a project of the magnitude of the proposed NBN is reasonable and sensible. To oppose a CBA on this project is an admission of shonky practice.

exactly.
Especially given the ALP's pathetic history in the last 3 years of shonkiness and rorts. Together with the ALP's massive over spending (eg BER, pink batts)

Only a complete twit would give Julia Gillard's NBN the green light without a CBA.

Let's pretend the CBA was done. Considering how subjective CBA's actually are, what would it need to say for you to get over it and accept this is a good project?

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Reply #132 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:07am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:03am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

The point I`d like to make is. Whether CBA`s have been done before or not is totally irrelevant, and to harp on about prior Government projects in this vein is nothing more than declared stupidity. The use of this "tactic" in debate is exactly equal to declaring that one is too stupid to continue the debate, and needs to stall all inteligent discourse.

To request a CBA ofr a project of the magnitude of the proposed NBN is reasonable and sensible. To oppose a CBA on this project is an admission of shonky practice.

exactly.
Especially given the ALP's pathetic history in the last 3 years of shonkiness and rorts. Together with the ALP's massive over spending (eg BER, pink batts)

Only a complete twit would give Julia Gillard's NBN the green light without a CBA.

Let's pretend the CBA was done. Considering how subjective CBA's actually are, what would it need to say for you to get over it and accept this is a good project?

got nothing I see? Now there is a great "tactic"

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Reply #133 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:11am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:07am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:03am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

The point I`d like to make is. Whether CBA`s have been done before or not is totally irrelevant, and to harp on about prior Government projects in this vein is nothing more than declared stupidity. The use of this "tactic" in debate is exactly equal to declaring that one is too stupid to continue the debate, and needs to stall all inteligent discourse.

To request a CBA ofr a project of the magnitude of the proposed NBN is reasonable and sensible. To oppose a CBA on this project is an admission of shonky practice.

exactly.
Especially given the ALP's pathetic history in the last 3 years of shonkiness and rorts. Together with the ALP's massive over spending (eg BER, pink batts)

Only a complete twit would give Julia Gillard's NBN the green light without a CBA.

Let's pretend the CBA was done. Considering how subjective CBA's actually are, what would it need to say for you to get over it and accept this is a good project?

got nothing I see? Now there is a great "tactic"

I'd be interested to know if you even know how a CBA is conducted. Please, oh please, do tell us.

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Reply #134 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:13am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 8:03am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 29^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

The point I`d like to make is. Whether CBA`s have been done before or not is totally irrelevant, and to harp on about prior Government projects in this vein is nothing more than declared stupidity. The use of this "tactic" in debate is exactly equal to declaring that one is too stupid to continue the debate, and needs to stall all inteligent discourse.

To request a CBA ofr a project of the magnitude of the proposed NBN is reasonable and sensible. To oppose a CBA on this project is an admission of shonky practice.

exactly.
Especially given the ALP's pathetic history in the last 3 years of shonkiness and rorts. Together with the ALP's massive over spending (eg BER, pink batts)

Only a complete twit would give Julia Gillard's NBN the green light without a CBA.

Let's pretend the CBA was done. Considering how subjective CBA's actually are, what would it need to say for you to get over it and accept this is a good project?

And the whole point as to why the question of other CBAs performed by other governments has been arked on so much about was because Miss Anne decided she would point out all other governments did one, without offering a source. Then she hid. Bravo.

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Let's play pretendies huh.
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Question: Should the Goverment of the day do a CBA on their Policies
Yes all Goverment 5 (38.5%) Not any Goverment 2 (15.4%) Only the Labor Goverments 0 (0.0%) Not any Liberal Goverments 0 (0.0%) Goverment doing CBA is all B/S 6 (46.2%) Total votes: 13 « Created by: John S on: Dec 27^th, 2010 at 10:50am »