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Reply #30 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 8:04pm
 
The funny old thing about opinion in this country is whilst politicians are allowed to have theirs, this and feel justified imposing their views and associated taxes on others, (by others they define as being the general consensus) we the drones are then expected to roll-up our sleeves, grind the axe and tax-fund their 'opinion' as though it were gospel truth, based on their mere say so...even in the face of undeniable fact which challenges their own scientific authorities current theory.

I predict that in another 10 years not a single academic will utter the acronym, AGW, much less put their name to it.

As time passes, in the wake of the Wiki-leaked Climategate email scandal.... whereby the UN's own chief scientific advisor's ( the CRU) questioned then mockingly set out to falsify it's own research findings between colleagues so the figures would add up, scientific support for an 'alleged' consensus is declining rapidly.

Funny that.

And such excellent timing too. Smack bang on Copenhagen when Rudd was to deliver his environmental-sermon to the UN and it's suck-holes in a timely fashion.

No wonder our government want Julian Assange erased from the pages of history, as he delivers what they would rather have kept to themselves.

The truth.

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Reply #31 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 6:38am
 
Yes, the warmists can't prove that climate change exists, and wikileaks has highlighted that at Copenhagen the scientists were manipulating/falsifying/creating their own data in order to scam the world into believing that climate change was occurring.
Therefore the next step is to try and discredit wikileaks - somehow, anyway possible.
The warmists first attempt at Julian Assange has easily failed.
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Reply #32 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:19am
 
salad in wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 7:01am:
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BLIZZARDS threaten to bury parts of Britain under 12 INCHES of snow today.


How incredibly predictable is this OP. It happens every time there is a cold day somewhere in the world. Of course these people are confusing "weather" with "climate".

With many people you can explain the science behind man made global warming until you are blue in the face. They refuse to listen because they have no idea about the science and they have a political agenda.
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Reply #33 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:51am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:19am:
salad in wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 7:01am:
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BLIZZARDS threaten to bury parts of Britain under 12 INCHES of snow today.


How incredibly predictable is this OP. It happens every time there is a cold day somewhere in the world. Of course these people are confusing "weather" with "climate".

With many people you can explain the science behind man made global warming until you are blue in the face. They refuse to listen because they have no idea about the science and they have a political agenda.



And then there are the people who do have an understanding of science, who've looked at the evidence from both sides and wonder why, since the climate has changed many times in the past and temperatures have increased/decreased as many times .....LONG before man had any industry, they wonder WHY is it called 'man made' this time, when it was called 'natural' ALL the other times???
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Reply #34 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:58am
 
Yes - it's very cold in Europe right now - record low temperatures.

Has anyone heard that one of the consequences of global warming
is that the Gulf Stream would stop & plunge Europe into an ice age?

Sounds like the cold snap is further evidence of global warming!
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Reply #35 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:07am
 
Do prudent individuals insure against various risks?

Do decent businesses, insure the business against various risks?

Are the risks the risks often low probability, but high impact?

The answer is that most people & businesses insure, even though they feel there is a low low probability of claims, but they do so because it is prudent to share high impact events with others, just in case.

Climate Change, according to the best scientists on the planet, is much more than a low risk, unyet all we do is bicker, which means nothing is done to mitigate the risks!

We are indeed, a weird bunch!!!
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Reply #36 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:19am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:51am:
And then there are the people who do have an understanding of science, who've looked at the evidence from both sides and wonder why, since the climate has changed many times in the past and temperatures have increased/decreased as many times .....LONG before man had any industry, they wonder WHY is it called 'man made' this time, when it was called 'natural' ALL the other times???


Dentists have an understanding of science. Would they count?

Past climates were different to todays, but the argument you make is not logical.

Your argument is "There has been warming in the past, therefore, the current warming is no different"

You say that without discussing the causal factors in any way.

To illustrate that, let's say we had a really major flu pandemic. Your argument would be like saying "There have been deaths in the past. People die all the time, so why is this flu any different?"

The devil is in the detail.

I really don't think you want to look at the detail, because you know that the science speaks for itself.

(I answered your points over on the environment thread. )
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Reply #37 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:29am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:51am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:19am:
salad in wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 7:01am:
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BLIZZARDS threaten to bury parts of Britain under 12 INCHES of snow today.


How incredibly predictable is this OP. It happens every time there is a cold day somewhere in the world. Of course these people are confusing "weather" with "climate".

With many people you can explain the science behind man made global warming until you are blue in the face. They refuse to listen because they have no idea about the science and they have a political agenda.



And then there are the people who do have an understanding of science, who've looked at the evidence from both sides and wonder why, since the climate has changed many times in the past and temperatures have increased/decreased as many times .....LONG before man had any industry, they wonder WHY is it called 'man made' this time, when it was called 'natural' ALL the other times???


Yet despite the genuine scientific interest, all we see in the debates is 'frost this morning, therefor no global warming'.
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Reply #38 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:42am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:07am:
Do prudent individuals insure against various risks?

Do decent business, insure the business against various risks?

Are the risks the risks often low probability, but high impact?

The answer is that most people & businesses insure, even though they feel there is a low low probability of claims, but they do so because it is prudent to share high impact events with others, just in case.

Climate Change, according to the best scientists on the planet, is much more than a low risk, unyet all we do is bicker, which means nothing is done to mitigate the risks!

We are indeed, a weird bunch!!!



You obviously haven`t considered the cost (not risk) of the "cure".
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Reply #39 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:44am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:51am:
since the climate has changed many times in the past and temperatures have increased/decreased as many times .....LONG before man had any industry, they wonder WHY is it called 'man made' this time, when it was called 'natural' ALL the other times???


Because humans are the driver of the change this time. There are 6 billion of us spewing CO2 and methane into the atmosphere. It has been proven that levels of these gasses are increasing in the atmosphere. It has been proven that the planet is warming. It's not difficult to see the connection.

If global warming hadn't become such a political football there would be no debate that the science is accurate.
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Reply #40 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:50am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:42am:
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:07am:
Do prudent individuals insure against various risks?

Do decent business, insure the business against various risks?

Are the risks the risks often low probability, but high impact?

The answer is that most people & businesses insure, even though they feel there is a low low probability of claims, but they do so because it is prudent to share high impact events with others, just in case.

Climate Change, according to the best scientists on the planet, is much more than a low risk, unyet all we do is bicker, which means nothing is done to mitigate the risks!

We are indeed, a weird bunch!!!



You obviously haven`t considered the cost (not risk) of the "cure".


You mean like the Stern report?
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Reply #41 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 10:00am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:44am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:51am:
since the climate has changed many times in the past and temperatures have increased/decreased as many times .....LONG before man had any industry, they wonder WHY is it called 'man made' this time, when it was called 'natural' ALL the other times???


Because humans are the driver of the change this time. There are 6 billion of us spewing CO2 and methane into the atmosphere. It has been proven that levels of these gasses are increasing in the atmosphere. It has been proven that the planet is warming. It's not difficult to see the connection.

If global warming hadn't become such a political football there would be no debate that the science is accurate.




Are humans in the driver's seat? Can you show what they have caused then?

And with all of us exhaling CO2 what would you suggest we humans do to stop exhaling that gas.



And it hasn't been proven that the level of tehse gases has increased nor that the planet is warming.
So how can you prove a connection when the dots don't exist?
Or are we just meant to assume that these dots exist?
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Reply #42 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 10:20am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:42am:
You obviously haven`t considered the cost (not risk) of the "cure".


What has been done was effectively a cost-benefit analysis. The costs have been considered, and there are also costs associated with the effects of the climate disruption. That's where the 2 degree ceiling comes into it.

What also comes into it is the fact that we'll never get a no "harm situation". The best scenario is a compromise between the costs of transitioning to low emission technology and the damage to the economy caused by the effects of the climate disruption.

(lol at Mellie's display of ignorance in post 41)
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Reply #43 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 10:29am
 
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And it hasn't been proven that the level of tehse gases has increased nor that the planet is warming


LOL yes muso.
Even the militant confusionalists like Akerman acknowledge climate change is real mellie, they just don't acknowledge its man made.
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Reply #44 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 10:36am
 
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 10:00am:
Are humans in the driver's seat? Can you show what they have caused then?

And with all of us exhaling CO2 what would you suggest we humans do to stop exhaling that gas.

And it hasn't been proven that the level of tehse gases has increased nor that the planet is warming.
So how can you prove a connection when the dots don't exist?
Or are we just meant to assume that these dots exist?


I've explained all this before so I suspect I'm wasting my time but here goes.

It has been proven that CO2 is increasing by measurements taken at Mauna Lao.

It has been proven that the earth is warming by measurements taken by NASA and the photographic evidence of glaciers retreating.

Humans exhaling CO2, volcanoes, termite mounds etc are all part of the natural carbon cycle which keeps the earth at a livable temperature. It is unnatural emissions of CO2 such as burning fossil fuels and deforestation which causes an increase in temperature
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