The funny old thing about opinion in this country is whilst politicians are allowed to have theirs, this and feel justified imposing their views and associated taxes on others, (by others they define as being the general consensus) we the drones are then expected to roll-up our sleeves, grind the axe and tax-fund their 'opinion' as though it were gospel truth, based on their mere say so...even in the face of undeniable fact which challenges their own scientific authorities current theory.

I predict that in another 10 years not a single academic will utter the acronym, AGW, much less put their name to it.

As time passes, in the wake of the Wiki-leaked Climategate email scandal.... whereby the UN's own chief scientific advisor's ( the CRU) questioned then mockingly set out to falsify it's own research findings between colleagues so the figures would add up, scientific support for an 'alleged' consensus is declining rapidly.

Funny that.

And such excellent timing too. Smack bang on Copenhagen when Rudd was to deliver his environmental-sermon to the UN and it's suck-holes in a timely fashion.

No wonder our government want Julian Assange erased from the pages of history, as he delivers what they would rather have kept to themselves.

The truth.

salad in wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:01am:


How incredibly predictable is this OP. It happens every time there is a cold day somewhere in the world. Of course these people are confusing "weather" with "climate".

With many people you can explain the science behind man made global warming until you are blue in the face. They refuse to listen because they have no idea about the science and they have a political agenda.

Yes - it's very cold in Europe right now - record low temperatures.

Has anyone heard that one of the consequences of global warming
is that the Gulf Stream would stop & plunge Europe into an ice age?

Sounds like the cold snap is further evidence of global warming!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:51am:


Dentists have an understanding of science. Would they count?

Past climates were different to todays, but the argument you make is not logical.

Your argument is "There has been warming in the past, therefore, the current warming is no different"

You say that without discussing the causal factors in any way.

To illustrate that, let's say we had a really major flu pandemic. Your argument would be like saying "There have been deaths in the past. People die all the time, so why is this flu any different?"

The devil is in the detail.

I really don't think you want to look at the detail, because you know that the science speaks for itself.

(I answered your points over on the environment thread. )

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 9:07am:



You obviously haven`t considered the cost (not risk) of the "cure".

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 9:42am:


You mean like the Stern report?

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 9:42am:


What has been done was effectively a cost-benefit analysis. The costs have been considered, and there are also costs associated with the effects of the climate disruption. That's where the 2 degree ceiling comes into it.

What also comes into it is the fact that we'll never get a no "harm situation". The best scenario is a compromise between the costs of transitioning to low emission technology and the damage to the economy caused by the effects of the climate disruption.

(lol at Mellie's display of ignorance in post 41)

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 10:00am:


I've explained all this before so I suspect I'm wasting my time but here goes.

It has been proven that CO2 is increasing by measurements taken at Mauna Lao.

It has been proven that the earth is warming by measurements taken by NASA and the photographic evidence of glaciers retreating.

Humans exhaling CO2, volcanoes, termite mounds etc are all part of the natural carbon cycle which keeps the earth at a livable temperature. It is unnatural emissions of CO2 such as burning fossil fuels and deforestation which causes an increase in temperature