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It's getting warmer???
Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:01am

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BLIZZARDS threaten to bury parts of Britain under 12 INCHES of snow today.

Chaos looms as 60mph winds whip up massive 6ft drifts.

Experts fear the worst blizzards in nearly a CENTURY as up to a foot of snow is dumped across SCOTLAND and north and west ENGLAND from this morning. The SOUTH could also be hit.

Commuters will face road and rail closures and many schools are expected to close. Poor visibility and ice will make driving hazardous. The snow could be the worst since 1927 when a 12-hour blizzard on Christmas Day left 20ft drifts across the South.

The Met Office yesterday issued nationwide extreme weather warnings - particularly in Scotland and the North.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3278719/Blizzards-will-bury-UK-in-12in-snow.html

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Alarmist Predictions
From: The Independent, 20 March 2000

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past
By Charles Onians

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain’s biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. “It was a bit of a first,” a spokesperson said.
http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/predictions/14/

I read that the current snowfalls in the UK are the heaviest since 1890.

Should the high priests of global warming get new tarot cards? And one last question: who can explain the willingness of many learned people to indulge in masturbation?

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Miss Anne Dryst

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Reply #1 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:10am

salad in wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:01am:

I read that the current snowfalls in the UK are the heaviest since 1890.

Should the high priests of global warming get new tarot cards? And one last question: who can explain the willingness of many learned people to indulge in masturbation?

Looks more like global cooling than anything.
And always wondered what the environmentalists did at their conferences, but that's too much information. But maybe that is the cause of the snowfalls.

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Reply #2 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:16am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:10am:

salad in wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:01am:

I read that the current snowfalls in the UK are the heaviest since 1890.

Should the high priests of global warming get new tarot cards? And one last question: who can explain the willingness of many learned people to indulge in masturbation?

Looks more like global cooling than anything.
And always wondered what the environmentalists did at their conferences, but that's too much information. But maybe that is the cause of the snowfalls.

Cunning right whingers have co-opted the concerns over 'Climate Change' and called it 'Global Warming' - which gives them a convenient excuse to denounce climate change theorists every time there is a cold snap somewhere in the world...

Notice how they avoid the media day in and day out during record heat waves and firestorms...

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: It's getting warmer??? Reply #3 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:24am And still the lefties cannot provide any proof on global warming, oops man -made global warming or climate change, oops man-made climate change. Very cheap scam by the lefties, which was all exposed at Cancun last year.
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Reply #4 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:41am

Last Decade Was Warmest on Record, 2009 One of Warmest Years, NASA Research Finds
Jan. 22, 2010

A new analysis of global surface temperatures by NASA scientists finds the past year was tied for the second warmest since 1880. In the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year on record.

Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade because of a strong La Nina that cooled the tropical Pacific Ocean, 2009 saw a return to a near-record global temperatures as the La Nina diminished, according to the new analysis by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. The past year was a small fraction of a degree cooler than 2005, the warmest on record, putting 2009 in a virtual tie with a cluster of other years --1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, and 2007 -- for the second warmest on record.

"There's always interest in the annual temperature numbers and a given year's ranking, but the ranking often misses the point," said James Hansen, GISS director. "There's substantial year-to-year variability of global temperature caused by the tropical El Nino-La Nina cycle. When we average temperature over five or ten years to minimize that variability, we find global warming is continuing unabated."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121170717.htm

Australia bakes through warmest decade on record
Jan 5, 2010

The Bureau of Meteorology says figures showing Australia has experienced its hottest decade since records began in 1910 are clear evidence of climate change.

The Bureau's annual report has found the average temperature over the past 10 years was 0.48 degrees Celsius above average.

Climatologist David Jones says each decade since the 1940s has been warmer than the previous one.

And he has warned that this year is set to be even hotter, with temperatures likely to be between 0.5 and 1 degrees above average.

"There's no doubt about global warming, the planet's been warming now for most of the last century," he said.

"Occasionally it takes a breather, during La Nina events for example.

"But we're getting these increasingly warm temperatures - not just for Australia but globally - and climate change, global warming is clearly continuing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/05/2785653.htm

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Reply #5 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:40am

Climate change brings increased variability and extremes in regional weather patterns and associated devastation: in the same year, some parts of the world will experience record cold snaps whilst other regions will suffer record heat waves...

It is foolish, to ignore the record heat waves and focus more on occasional record cold snaps than on longer-term global temperature increases...

Over the past 200-odd years, materialistic humanity has wantonly made unprecedented and ever-accelerating destructive changes to the global landscape and seascape - and it is ridiculous to suggest that the planet's natural systems will not be tipped into chaos as a result...

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Reply #6 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:46am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:41am:

Last Decade Was Warmest on Record, 2009 One of Warmest Years, NASA Research Finds
Jan. 22, 2010

A new analysis of global surface temperatures by NASA scientists finds the past year was tied for the second warmest since 1880. In the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year on record.

Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade because of a strong La Nina that cooled the tropical Pacific Ocean, 2009 saw a return to a near-record global temperatures as the La Nina diminished, according to the new analysis by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. The past year was a small fraction of a degree cooler than 2005, the warmest on record, putting 2009 in a virtual tie with a cluster of other years --1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, and 2007 -- for the second warmest on record.

"There's always interest in the annual temperature numbers and a given year's ranking, but the ranking often misses the point," said James Hansen, GISS director. "There's substantial year-to-year variability of global temperature caused by the tropical El Nino-La Nina cycle. When we average temperature over five or ten years to minimize that variability, we find global warming is continuing unabated."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121170717.htm

Australia bakes through warmest decade on record
Jan 5, 2010

The Bureau of Meteorology says figures showing Australia has experienced its hottest decade since records began in 1910 are clear evidence of climate change.

The Bureau's annual report has found the average temperature over the past 10 years was 0.48 degrees Celsius above average.

Climatologist David Jones says each decade since the 1940s has been warmer than the previous one.

And he has warned that this year is set to be even hotter, with temperatures likely to be between 0.5 and 1 degrees above average.

"There's no doubt about global warming, the planet's been warming now for most of the last century," he said.

"Occasionally it takes a breather, during La Nina events for example.

"But we're getting these increasingly warm temperatures - not just for Australia but globally - and climate change, global warming is clearly continuing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/05/2785653.htm

Yes, and the proof that man is responsible is??????

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Reply #7 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:51am

1. Snow does not equal cold.

You'd have to live in a cold climate to appreciate this, but the expression "warm enough for snow" is quite common in colder climates, usually followed by a knowing nod.

Increased snow just means that more moisture is dropping from the atmosphere. It doesn't mean that the winter is colder. (increased precipitation is an expected outcome. If it happens to be cold enough , that precipitation will fall as snow)

OK, I'm glad we've got that one out of the way.

Secondly, ever hear the expression, "one swallow does not a summer make?"

The climate is not warming evenly from year to year. There are natural cycles superimposed in the short term.

Capiche?

3. It's not warming the same amount in every single part of the globe. Some parts might not warm much at all, whereas other regions will warm much more (for example closer to the poles)

Is that sufficient for a pwn? (to use the blogosphere lingo)

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: It's getting warmer??? Reply #8 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:55am gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:46am: Yes, and the proof that man is responsible is?????? Come back to Environment , young Skywalker. Ready you are not. Explain, I will
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Reply #9 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:56am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:41am:

Last Decade Was Warmest on Record, 2009 One of Warmest Years, NASA Research Finds
Jan. 22, 2010

A new analysis of global surface temperatures by NASA scientists finds the past year was tied for the second warmest since 1880. In the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year on record.

Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade because of a strong La Nina that cooled the tropical Pacific Ocean, 2009 saw a return to a near-record global temperatures as the La Nina diminished, according to the new analysis by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. The past year was a small fraction of a degree cooler than 2005, the warmest on record, putting 2009 in a virtual tie with a cluster of other years --1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, and 2007 -- for the second warmest on record.

"There's always interest in the annual temperature numbers and a given year's ranking, but the ranking often misses the point," said James Hansen, GISS director. "There's substantial year-to-year variability of global temperature caused by the tropical El Nino-La Nina cycle. When we average temperature over five or ten years to minimize that variability, we find global warming is continuing unabated."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121170717.htm

Australia bakes through warmest decade on record
Jan 5, 2010

The Bureau of Meteorology says figures showing Australia has experienced its hottest decade since records began in 1910 are clear evidence of climate change.

The Bureau's annual report has found the average temperature over the past 10 years was 0.48 degrees Celsius above average.

Climatologist David Jones says each decade since the 1940s has been warmer than the previous one.

And he has warned that this year is set to be even hotter, with temperatures likely to be between 0.5 and 1 degrees above average.

"There's no doubt about global warming, the planet's been warming now for most of the last century," he said.

"Occasionally it takes a breather, during La Nina events for example.

"But we're getting these increasingly warm temperatures - not just for Australia but globally - and climate change, global warming is clearly continuing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/05/2785653.htm

Yes, and the proof that man is responsible is??????

Science RARELY offers conclusive "proof" on ANYTHING - but more on liklihood and probability

In THIS case - the tie in with INCREASED average tempratures EVERY decade, coinciding with the industrial revolution and increased carbon emissions in the atmosphere

Did we wait for conclusive "proof" of the connection between lung cancer and smoking before medical experts discouraged it ?

Why take the risk ?

On EITHER count

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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: It's getting warmer??? Reply #10 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:06am It`s funny how they denigrate other religions for a lack of scientific verification, while demanding a "childlike leap of faith" of everyone for their own.
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Reply #11 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:11am

If you accept it as proof, you can measure the boiling point of water at ambient pressure and say that it's 100 degrees C plus or minus a fraction of a degree.

1. If you accept it as proof, you can determine the linear molar absorption coefficient of carbon dioxide at 1214 ± 78 L · cm –1/mol for the absorption band at 2349 cm –1.

Both the above are pretty close to indisputable facts.

2.If you accept that without carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the world would be a much colder place, then you can accept that increasing the carbon dioxide will increase the temperature.

3.If you accept that we're burning coal and oil at such a rate (verifiable from bean-counters' receipts) that we are increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide by about 1-2ppm per year, then that comes pretty close to clinching the point too. That's the man-made part.

Now which branch of atmospheric Physics do you have an issue with? Let me know so that I can clarify it further.

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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: It's getting warmer??? Reply #12 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:16am Ah, Global climatology in under 500 words. All we need now is a huge leap of faith. Beam me up Scotty!
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Reply #13 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:22am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:16am:

Ah, Global climatology in under 500 words. All we need now is a huge leap of faith.

Beam me up Scotty!

I'm happy to explain it to you step by step in a non-judgemental way, but those are the first things that you should consider. If you can't refute those points, we can move on and build on those facts.

Some people feel that they need to confuse the issue as much as possible. It's actually very subtle - much more subtle than I just indicated, but it's also pretty well established.

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Reply #14 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:25am

muso wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:22am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:16am:

Ah, Global climatology in under 500 words. All we need now is a huge leap of faith.

Beam me up Scotty!

I'm happy to explain it to you step by step in a non-judgemental way, but those are the first things that you should consider. If you can't refute those points, we can move on and build on those facts.

Some people feel that they need to confuse the issue as much as possible. It's actually very subtle - much more subtle than I just indicated, but it's also pretty well established.

Muso, I`d like to discuss this further, but ATM, I have to go. Have a good one mate.

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