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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #15 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 1:55pm What are we doing to prevent the runaway train that is China???? Look at that graph!!!! They produce pretty much everyone else's added together. If we don't stop China, we don't solve the problem. It is, sadly, that simple.
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Reply #16 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:04pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:

What are we doing to prevent the runaway train that is China????

Look at that graph!!!!

They produce pretty much everyone else's added together.

If we don't stop China, we don't solve the problem. It is, sadly, that simple.

Andrei, we don't need to do anything about China.
China is getting it own house in order without western interference, do some research, they are building more renewable energy than basically the rest of the world combined.
Anyway considering this is a problem of the making of the industrialised western world yet we, as the cause, do nothing whilst wagging fingers at countries who are just starting to pull their populations out of poverty.

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Reply #18 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:08pm

It is?

You do realize that China only last week re-iterated its point that total emissions will continue to grow for the next 5-10 years and that only their 'rate of growth' will slow?????

How the bugger is that helpful?

Everyone else is talking about trying to reduce and them and India are talking about slowing the 'rate of growth'.

Sorry but to me, that means their emissions will rise.

Have a look at that graph. It's madness!

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Reply #19 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:09pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:04pm:

do nothing whilst wagging fingers at countries who are just starting to pull their populations out of poverty.

I couldn't give a monkeys about their poverty.
I care about the fact we have to pay for them to have a get out of jail free card.

To quote the former US President "Why the hell should the US have to pick up the check for everybody else?"

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Reply #20 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:11pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:

What are we doing to prevent the runaway train that is China????

Look at that graph!!!!

They produce pretty much everyone else's added together.

If we don't stop China, we don't solve the problem. It is, sadly, that simple.

Andrei, we don't need to do anything about China.
China is getting it own house in order without western interference, do some research, they are building more renewable energy than basically the rest of the world combined.Anyway considering this is a problem of the making of the industrialised western world yet we, as the cause, do nothing whilst wagging fingers at countries who are just starting to pull their populations out of poverty.

And most of it is hydro or nuclear...

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #21 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:12pm "Why the hell should the US have to pick up the check for everybody else?" Because the USA, along with other developed nations, created the problem.
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #22 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:14pm "Why the hell should the US have to pick up the check for everybody else?" Can you point me to where he said that?
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #23 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:15pm In the televised campaign debate with John Kerry. When referring to Kyoto and the failure to address environment concerns, Bush (correctly) pointed out that it wasn't the job of the United States to pick up the check for everyone - which essentially was what Kyoto was doing.
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Reply #24 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:18pm

Please delete wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:12pm:

"Why the hell should the US have to pick up the check for everybody else?"

Because the USA, along with other developed nations, created the problem.

Which really should INCLUDE China....How can a country that is a 'Superpower', with a technolgical level like China's, be considered a 'developing' nation????

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #25 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:20pm

"My approach recognizes that economic growth is the solution, not the problem. Because a nation that grows its economy is a nation that can afford investments and new technologies.

The approach taken under the Kyoto Protocol would have required the United States to make deep and immediate cuts in our economy to meet an arbitrary target.
It would have cost our economy up to $400 billion and we would have lost 4.9 million jobs.

As President of the United States, charged with safeguarding the welfare of the American people and American workers, I will not commit our nation to an unsound international treaty that will throw millions of our citizens out of work."

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #26 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:22pm "In the televised campaign debate with John Kerry." Nup. Not in the transcript I just scanned. What he said was that Kyoto would cost a lot of American jobs. Can you assist, me hicks? I would like to read the comments.
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Reply #27 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:23pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:08pm:

It is?

You do realize that China only last week re-iterated its point that total emissions will continue to grow for the next 5-10 years and that only their 'rate of growth' will slow?????

How the bugger is that helpful?

Everyone else is talking about trying to reduce and them and India are talking about slowing the 'rate of growth'.

Sorry but to me, that means their emissions will rise.

Have a look at that graph. It's madness!

How will it help???
Well just imagine if everyone just kept on going & increasing CO2......OH WAIT WE ARE.
This is a pointless argument, Money rules and that's all that matters.
Nothing will be done & if the science comes in correct we will see mass starvation, wars over fresh water & a massive DECREASE in the human population of the earth.
Not a bad thing in some ways but tragic for all the innocent species we take with us.

Oh and America is broke they have no money to pick up anyone's cheque anymore.

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #28 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:23pm "Which really should INCLUDE China....How can a country that is a 'Superpower', with a technolgical level like China's, be considered a 'developing' nation???? " China IS a developing nation. A very rich developing nation.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #29 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:24pm The problem is Dsmithy...it's BIG 'if'...
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