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Reply #165 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 8:49am

Please delete wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 7:36am:

"No ernie, you're just being deliberately obtuse......"

No, you've lazily proposed and argued as if your idea is achievable.

It isn't.

You're sayig that we should build things ourselves, with aid money, to prevent the money getting into the hands of tinpot dictators.

So how are you going to do it?

By offering to build the things, with OUR money and train their people in the process so they can build more later, again using our money...

The countries never object when charity groups dig wells for villages do they?
Or when western groups build and fund hospitals and schools??

So why should they object to western countries paying for power stations??

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

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Reply #166 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 8:58am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 8:49am:

So why should they object to western countries paying for power stations??

They wouldn't.

When we began moving our manufacturing base to Chennai, the local management pointed out the benefits to India.

Capital infrastructure, direct funding from outside of India, jobs for 5,000 workers on a good Indian salary, training from guys from the US and Europe etc

Developing countries welcome capital infrastructure and the developed world nations get the profit and the shareholder value.

It's win-win.

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #167 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 9:08am "So why should they object to western countries paying for power stations?? " Because implicitly it's a country doing the building, not a church group. That's when "tinpot dictators" ask for their share, or refuse pointblank. Corporations won't do it, because they won't profit.
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #168 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 9:15am Gizmo, I think you have to acknowledge that our positions are quite close. They want to set up a fund, which I am trying to defend, and it seems that your main objection is that the fund needs to be tightly controlled. Not a huge difference.
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Reply #169 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 10:14am

Please delete wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 9:15am:

Gizmo, I think you have to acknowledge that our positions are quite close.

They want to set up a fund, which I am trying to defend, and it seems that your main objection is that the fund needs to be tightly controlled.

Not a huge difference.

No possibly not....
I just think the 'fund' should be used to supply the technology (maybe under UN control) rather than given as cash.....

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

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Reply #170 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 4:05pm

Please delete wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 9:15am:

Gizmo, I think you have to acknowledge that our positions are quite close.

They want to set up a fund, which I am trying to defend, and it seems that your main objection is that the fund needs to be tightly controlled.

Not a huge difference.

The actual problem is that this 'fund' DOESNT EXIST nor are there any plans on how to set it up or who wil contribute. dont yout hink they missed a 'small step' somewhere?

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #171 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 6:16pm "The actual problem is that this 'fund' DOESNT EXIST" That's why they want to set it up.
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tickfen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1405 Gender:	Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure... Reply #172 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 6:26pm stop all this climate change crap as abbott said, climate change is crap - it doesnt exist, and he is right! Only the dumbest of the dumb believe that it does exist. So im asking all those dumbest of the dumb to put up some proof or STFU!
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Reply #173 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 9:52pm

tickfen wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:

stop all this climate change crap
as abbott said, climate change is crap - it doesnt exist, and he is right!

I guess you are another one of those people who doesn't understand the difference between "climate change"(which has been happening for 4.5 Billion years) and "man made climate change"(which has only been happening the last 150 years).

Baaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaa

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Reply #174 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 5:46am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 9:52pm:

tickfen wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:

stop all this climate change crap
as abbott said, climate change is crap - it doesnt exist, and he is right!

I guess you are another one of those people who doesn't understand the difference between "climate change"(which has been happening for 4.5 Billion years) and "man made climate change"(which has only been happening the last 150 years).

Baaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaa

There's a whole lot of environmentalists who don't seem to understand the difference either Oh_Yeah....

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #175 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 6:41am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 9:52pm:

tickfen wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:

stop all this climate change crap
as abbott said, climate change is crap - it doesnt exist, and he is right!

I guess you are another one of those people who doesn't understand the difference between "climate change"(which has been happening for 4.5 Billion years) and "man made climate change"(which has only been happening the last 150 years).

Baaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaa

I see that you're another one who claims that something exists yet cannot prove it.

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Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure...
Reply #176 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 6:43am

tickfen wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:

stop all this climate change crap
as abbott said, climate change is crap - it doesnt exist, and he is right!

Only the dumbest of the dumb believe that it does exist.
So im asking all those dumbest of the dumb to put up some proof or STFU!

SPot on there tick.

But you know that they can't prove it so they won't.
Instead they will maintain their belief in the Tooth Fairy, Santa, and the Easter Bunny etc.
A good tale for the children, but nobody else.

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Reply #177 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 8:34am

These people have no grip on reality...they jet around the world, stay at 5 star hotels with air conditioners everywhere, drink champers, no doubt feast on endangered species, fart in their leather chairs and come up with claptrap like "we will limit global warming to 2 degrees C". If they can limit global warming or climate change or whatever they call it this week to such a specific temperature then they can limit it to zero. Hell they can even reverse it...just like Canute!

Any change on a global scale is likely to take decades and if we stopped burning all fossil fuels tomorrow the temperature would still increase...
Assuming no negative feedbacks and you could probably point to the northern hemisphere as experiencing them at the moment (slowing gulf stream).
But don't think these talks will end up doing anything other than fatten a bunch of brain dead politicians and fat (fatter) cats.

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Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure...
Reply #179 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 5:26pm

tickfen wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:

stop all this climate change crap
as abbott said, climate change is crap - it doesnt exist, and he is right!

Only the dumbest of the dumb believe that it does exist.
So im asking all those dumbest of the dumb to put up some proof or STFU!

tick.. Abbott believes human caused climate change is crap......

and I have yet to see anyone prove otherwise..

lets face it ICECAPS wouldnt be melting if earth was not warming up..we have more vulcanos erupting and violent earthquakes happening..

all that tells ME at any rate something else is happening underground or under the ocean which ever way you want to look at the thing..

whatever is going on isnt all about "above ground"..

in the past 100 years we have learnt a lot, and we I believe are doing our best to change things..my god did you know the ACT govt is going to ban plastic bags.. now theres an innovation for you!!!!!!.all in the name of science.

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