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Re: Another 'Climate Change' failure...
Reply #150 - Dec 14th, 2010 at 8:31pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 3:59pm:
To quote my now departed old Grandfather -

'At the end of the day, we got on well with the Indians, most of the time everything was good. But now again our unit had to dish out a bit of God, King and Empire'

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The Amritsar Massacre, also known as the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre, is an extremely dishonorable and disgraceful event because of the kind of brutality that was practiced by the British on the helpless Indians. For a long time, the soldiers unloaded the bullets ruthlessly and brutally on the crowd that was trapped to death. Nearly four hundred people were killed and more than a thousand were severely injured.

This appalling and horrifying event of the massacre at Jallianwala Bagh, Amritsar resulted in the mass Indian uprising and insurgence and ultimately led to the Indian Freedom. But, the tragic day of the massacre in Amritsar will always bring a bloodcurdling and terrifying memory in the minds of all Indians.

http://www.mapsofindia.com/amritsar/massacre.html







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Reply #151 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 4:05am
 
"ALL of the 3rd world developing nations who want the payments from the Developed nations... "

Name one that would allow western nations to walk in and completely manage construction and management of, say, power stations.
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Reply #152 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 6:06am
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 4:05am:
"ALL of the 3rd world developing nations who want the payments from the Developed nations... "

Name one that would allow western nations to walk in and completely manage construction and management of, say, power stations.


None that WOULD, but all of them SHOULD.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #153 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:00am
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 4:05am:
"ALL of the 3rd world developing nations who want the payments from the Developed nations... "

Name one that would allow western nations to walk in and completely manage construction and management of, say, power stations.


Who said 'completely manage'???

I'm talking about offering assistance , training and finance....

There was a time, not all that long ago, when lots of 3rd countries hired Western experts to help build major infrastructure.....Dams, oil wells, oil refineries, airports, mines, manufacturing plants, bridges, hotels etc.....All built with local money and labour and 'imported' experts....

It still goes on in some areas of the world now too I think...
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Reply #154 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:08am
 
"If we want to help them, instead of giving them cash, fund and build the technology ourselves," - gizmo.

So I keep asking - how are you going to do this?
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Reply #155 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:09am
 
"Sending in experts to do the work" - gizmo

How? On what legal basis? With who's permission?
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Reply #156 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:11am
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:09am:
"Sending in experts to do the work" - gizmo

How? On what legal basis? With who's permission.


With who's permission do you think????
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Reply #157 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:16am
 
How the hell should I know - this is your fantasy.

You're proposing to impose your will on another country - how?

Gonna sick Halliburton on them?
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Reply #158 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:24am
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:16am:
How the hell should I know - this is your fantasy.

You're proposing to impose your will on another country - how?

Gonna sick Halliburton on them?


No ernie, you're just being deliberately obtuse......

I've never said anything other than that to OFFER to teach and help build the power systems is a better idea than just throwing cash at the countries to keep them quiet......
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Reply #159 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:32am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:24am:
Please delete wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:16am:
How the hell should I know - this is your fantasy.

You're proposing to impose your will on another country - how?

Gonna sick Halliburton on them?


No ernie, you're just being deliberately obtuse......

I've never said anything other than that to OFFER to teach and help build the power systems is a better idea than just throwing cash at the countries to keep them quiet......


Ernie is normally obtuse seeking to derail a thread by askling for irrelevant details and minor issues.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #160 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:36am
 
"No ernie, you're just being deliberately obtuse......"

No, you've lazily proposed and argued as if your idea is achievable.

It isn't.

You're sayig that we should build things ourselves, with aid money, to prevent the money getting into the hands of tinpot dictators.

So how are you going to do it?
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Reply #161 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 8:34am
 
Would you please pray tell why you think its a good idea for developing nations to become advanced developed world nations on an equal footing with us?

Do you understand the concept of competitive advantage and economic superiority??

Their advancement hinders our economic well-being. They are not mutually exclusive in the global market.

So effectively you would want to shoot ourselves in the foot.
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Reply #162 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 8:35am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 8:31pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 3:59pm:
To quote my now departed old Grandfather -

'At the end of the day, we got on well with the Indians, most of the time everything was good. But now again our unit had to dish out a bit of God, King and Empire'

Grin





The Amritsar Massacre, also known as the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre, is an extremely dishonorable and disgraceful event because of the kind of brutality that was practiced by the British on the helpless Indians. For a long time, the soldiers unloaded the bullets ruthlessly and brutally on the crowd that was trapped to death. Nearly four hundred people were killed and more than a thousand were severely injured.

This appalling and horrifying event of the massacre at Jallianwala Bagh, Amritsar resulted in the mass Indian uprising and insurgence and ultimately led to the Indian Freedom. But, the tragic day of the massacre in Amritsar will always bring a bloodcurdling and terrifying memory in the minds of all Indians.

http://www.mapsofindia.com/amritsar/massacre.html









Completely and totally off-topic.
I know you are not trying to link in a massacre to someone I was referring to - who incidentally was decorated twice for service to his country in India.

Anyway, off topic.

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Reply #163 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 8:38am
 
"Would you please pray tell why you think its a good idea for developing nations to become advanced developed world nations on an equal footing with us?"

So they can all have TVs to watch the cricket.
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Reply #164 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 8:46am
 
Let them all crowd around a black and white set by the 100 as per usual.

When we outsourced at my last place to India, people thought we were taking advantage by paying them $500 per year instead of the $40k to Aus staff.

Now $500 per year is EIGHT TIMES the cost of living in Chennai.

Hence my point, they don't need to be on the same footing as us, they never have been so they don't miss it.

The problem I have with so many people on the Left is that they seem incapable of looking at matters economically - they seem always without exception to being in social equality.
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