longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2010 at 12:26pm:


Wasn't the Medieval Warm period just in Europe?

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Obviously you don't.
While you are searching for real, hard, undeniable facts, try and keep an eye on, extremely high probability, as well.
The degree of certainty you demand on this issue surpasses that you require for any other major decision you ever make in your life, and that may turn out to be problematic for you.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2010 at 5:56pm:



http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn11648/dn11648-2_726.jpg

This is a tired old argument based on the misconception that the Medieval Warming period was something other than a local phenomenon. So if the original 1999 data is a peice (sic) of scientific nonsense then does that mean that the other independent studies referenced on this graph are also "scientific nonsense"? (isn't that an oxymoron? What do you mean anyway? scientific or nonsense? It can't be both.  )

The problem muso is that according to the 'Climategate' emails, Mann 'used' Jones' data to create the "Hockey Stick"...and ALL the other lines in the graph post-date both Jones and Mann...So Jones/Mann's data was used as raw material for all the later graphs....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:57pm:


I just fixed up your post to put your comments outside the quote. Just to make it clearer what you're saying. I hope you don't mind. What you're saying doesn't make sense - even just by looking at the data. Why do you think there is variation between the datasets?

I think you're either guessing or quoting incorrect assertions from another site.

When I get the time, I'll research the proxies used by the different researchers before I reply in detail.

"Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate
change will destroy us
· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism
Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
The Observ er, Sunday 22 February 2004 01 .33 GMT
l arger | smal l er
Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing
millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns
that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a
'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread
rioting will erupt across the world."
http://jlmiller.us/articles/Pentagon_climate_The%20Observer.pdf


"Rising sea levels
Tidal gauge data have documented a global mean sea level rise of 10 to 20 cm during the 20th century.4 Approximately 70% of the world’s population live within 100 miles of seacoasts, and nearly 50 million people now live at risk of coastal flooding and displacement by tidal and storm surges.11 Sea levels are anticipated to rise by another 7.6 to 91.4 cm by 2020 due to a combination of polar ice cap and glacial meltdown, increased precipitation, coastal land erosion and subsidence, and thermal expansion form rising seawater temperatures.9,12,13 A 100 cm (1 m) rise in sea levels would flood 34% of Bangladesh, the Marshall Islands, the Florida Keys, and many other islands and coastal areas.3,4 If the entire Western Antarctic ice sheet were to melt, sea levels would rise by another 6.1 m.11 Flooding is now the most common type of natural disaster worldwide, and flash flooding, usually associated with tropical storms and hurricanes, is among the leading causes of weather-related deaths in the United States, along with heat wave-related deaths. As a result of climate changes, more frequently alternating Pacific Ocean surface and subsurface temperature oscillations, as NOAA asserts, or synergistic combinations, hurricanes of category 3 or greater now strike the continental United States approximately every 18 months."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1708-8305.2006.00072.x/full

"Climate Change Health Check 2020 Report

Friday, 04 April 2008 11:12

The effects of climate change will not only be harmful to the health of the planet-- they will impact the health of humans as well.

Climate change dramatically disrupts some of life’s basic essential requirements for health: water, air and food.
By 2020, it is anticipated that increasing climate change will have greater impacts on the health of humans here in Australia and globally.

In 2020, it is likely that Australian doctors and other health professionals will be seeing patients with a diverse range of climate change-related illnesses, from heat stress and other heat-related illness events (affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs) to trauma from extreme weather events such as storms and heavy rains.  

It is anticipated that there will be changes in airborne pollutants leading to increased respiratory problems, including asthma. The production of pollens, moulds and fungi, all of which cause allergic symptoms, may increase due to rising temperatures.

In those areas affected by long-term drought and other natural disasters, it is likely that patients will experience distress and more mental illness such as depression and post traumatic stress disorders.  These conditions are also expected to rise in patients who have survived severe weather events.

Diseases such as gastroenteritis and diarrhea are predicted to rise due to contaminated food and water.  One study showed that for every degree of increase in temperature the rate of hospitalisation of children with diarrhoea increased by 8 per cent. A changing climate will also affect the distribution of mosquito-related diseases such as Dengue fever and Ross River virus.  Previously, in Australia these diseases had been restricted to areas north of Broome, Katherine and Cairns, but could spread as far south as New South Wales depending on temperature rise."

http://www.climateinstitute.org.au/our-publications/reports/289-climate-change-health-check-2020-report

The degree of certainty you demand on this issue surpasses that you require for any other major decision you ever make in your life, and that may turn out to be problematic for you.

Did you read the rest of the transcript though?

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That's a big "given".  Overall Australia shouldn't be that badly off because we are already better organised for drought compared to the rest of the world (except maybe Israel).

Jumping off a building has wonderful therapeutic effects. It takes the weight off your feet and gives you a welcome escape from gravity, as long as you don't hit the ground.

Given, of course, that there's sufficient water and sufficient nitrogen and that is what we're seeing here.