For years we have been inundated about the imminent climate disaster that will befall us in 2020. But now it seems that the goalposts have been moved. the currentUN Climate Conference is now focussing on 2030 instead. Why? Call it cynical, but maybe its because 2020 is now pretty close and none of the predicted calamities have eventuated. So let's move the alarm out to 2030 - just far enough away to be unprovable and close enough to scare.

Just more manoevures from the Great CLimate Scare/Con.

2020 ???

yes, what DID happen to rudds 2020 talkfest summit??

Thanks for that response muso, I expected that you could provide a succinct reply that would clarify the situation.
Longy seems to get all of his information from the extreme right blogosphere, and then passes on their fantastic, and almost inevitably, false assertions, as accepted facts.
He comes in with these wild statements, with links from other opinion pieces as reference material, and then proceeds to argue his case as if he has established an agreed fact, but very much like beowulf/grendel, used to do, goes missing in action, when the primary element of his case is proven false.

muso wrote on Dec 4^th, 2010 at 7:22pm:


the way you talk of copenhagen makes me think you are unware that copenhagen was a failure of mammoth proportions and agreed on NOTHING AT ALL!

"Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate
change will destroy us
· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism
Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
The Observ er, Sunday 22 February 2004 01 .33 GMT
l arger | smal l er
Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing
millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns
that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a
'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread
rioting will erupt across the world."
http://jlmiller.us/articles/Pentagon_climate_The%20Observer.pdf


"Rising sea levels
Tidal gauge data have documented a global mean sea level rise of 10 to 20 cm during the 20th century.4 Approximately 70% of the world’s population live within 100 miles of seacoasts, and nearly 50 million people now live at risk of coastal flooding and displacement by tidal and storm surges.11 Sea levels are anticipated to rise by another 7.6 to 91.4 cm by 2020 due to a combination of polar ice cap and glacial meltdown, increased precipitation, coastal land erosion and subsidence, and thermal expansion form rising seawater temperatures.9,12,13 A 100 cm (1 m) rise in sea levels would flood 34% of Bangladesh, the Marshall Islands, the Florida Keys, and many other islands and coastal areas.3,4 If the entire Western Antarctic ice sheet were to melt, sea levels would rise by another 6.1 m.11 Flooding is now the most common type of natural disaster worldwide, and flash flooding, usually associated with tropical storms and hurricanes, is among the leading causes of weather-related deaths in the United States, along with heat wave-related deaths. As a result of climate changes, more frequently alternating Pacific Ocean surface and subsurface temperature oscillations, as NOAA asserts, or synergistic combinations, hurricanes of category 3 or greater now strike the continental United States approximately every 18 months."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1708-8305.2006.00072.x/full

"Climate Change Health Check 2020 Report

Friday, 04 April 2008 11:12

The effects of climate change will not only be harmful to the health of the planet-- they will impact the health of humans as well.

Climate change dramatically disrupts some of life’s basic essential requirements for health: water, air and food.
By 2020, it is anticipated that increasing climate change will have greater impacts on the health of humans here in Australia and globally.

In 2020, it is likely that Australian doctors and other health professionals will be seeing patients with a diverse range of climate change-related illnesses, from heat stress and other heat-related illness events (affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs) to trauma from extreme weather events such as storms and heavy rains.   

It is anticipated that there will be changes in airborne pollutants leading to increased respiratory problems, including asthma. The production of pollens, moulds and fungi, all of which cause allergic symptoms, may increase due to rising temperatures.

In those areas affected by long-term drought and other natural disasters, it is likely that patients will experience distress and more mental illness such as depression and post traumatic stress disorders.  These conditions are also expected to rise in patients who have survived severe weather events.

Diseases such as gastroenteritis and diarrhea are predicted to rise due to contaminated food and water.  One study showed that for every degree of increase in temperature the rate of hospitalisation of children with diarrhoea increased by 8 per cent. A changing climate will also affect the distribution of mosquito-related diseases such as Dengue fever and Ross River virus.  Previously, in Australia these diseases had been restricted to areas north of Broome, Katherine and Cairns, but could spread as far south as New South Wales depending on temperature rise."

http://www.climateinstitute.org.au/our-publications/reports/289-climate-change-health-check-2020-report

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2010 at 11:51am:


Oh, was that a response? So a leaked secret report from the Pentagon with one oblique reference to the year 2020 is what you call an inundation? I'd suggest that for every report referencing 2020, you'll find about 5 referencing 2050. Here are 5 from about the same time:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/02/23/1051090.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/01/0107_040107_extinction.html

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/22545/automotive-manufacturers-urged-to-halve-e...
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/1-7-2004-49202.asp

http://foodsecurity.stanford.edu/publications/shifts_in_african_crop_climates_by...



OK, it's kind of weak, but please continue to explain the inferred emphasis on the year 2030 by the Cancun conference?

OK, Let me translate,

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2010 at 5:20pm:

"If you Google climate, disaster and 2020, you might find some oblique references that will back up my assertion." (of course, the same will work for 2030, 2040, 2050 and so on up to 2100). 2020 has never held any particular significance for so called climate disasters.

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However the UN Climate conference in Cancun has not made any such reference to 2030 whatsoever, except for the after dinner speaker on the 1st December, who starts speaking at 20:30.

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None of the predicted calamities (by the Pentagon) have eventuated. (Of course it's not 2020 yet, so maybe the Pentagon at the time of George Bush may be proven right eventually)

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You're talking about the Pentagon under Dubya? That was the only article you've come up with that mulled around the prospect of catastrophes in any vague way.

Unless you can substantiate your claims in some way, I'll lock this thread.

If you actually have something that backs up your claims, feel free to post it. If your claims can not be substantiated, they are false claims, and there is no point in continuing the thread. It's as simple as that.

I have never banned anybody.