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Finallly John Howard Admits To Conspiracy. (Read 2917 times)
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Reply #15 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 9:39am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 9:11am:
The maritime union might as well be a mafia. They held australia's economy to ransom to line their own pockets. When an 'evil multinational' like microsoft does it, people don't hold back. But because it is a union protecting the right of a small clique of lazy, overpaid, theiving wharfies, people think they can do no wrong.



You got that right.
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Reply #16 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 4:48pm
 
Equitist wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 8:52am:
no matter how gradual and/or public her tilt at the leadership was...



It was a gradual as an about-face.
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Reply #17 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 5:11pm
 
Amadd wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 5:10am:
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One of the most important contributions Howard has made to national life is to make people like you apoplectic.
That gives him a free pass for an awaful lot of sins.


Really? That's an interesting way of looking at things.
So if you help a little old lady across the road, you then have a credit to snatch the handbag of the next little old lady you see?

Not quite. Help a little old lady across the road - bollock the unions for free.

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I assure you that Howard is hopelessly into the red for getting us involved in the Iraq war (lickie lickie).
And I'd assume that a lot of Iraqis would feel an understandable amount of rage towards Australians for our part in conjuring such a naive, or sinister (take your pick), PM.
We really do need to take responsibility for that dasdardly evil man. He was the fault of a starry eyed generation of twits, who hopefully now know better. ..but the next generation won't of course.

I don't care nearly as much about Howard's union (democracy) breaking agenda here in Australia compared to what he was/is party to in Iraq.
If Howard wants to prove his legacy, he should launch his book in Iraq. You don't just walk away from something like that and launch a book far away from the crime in order to make a few more selfish bux.


An awful lot of outraged Iraqis are desperate to get to this despicable country. Surely shome mishtate.

It is one of Howard's enduring positives that he acted on the very, very honourable political principle of  'You can't be an 80% friend". Being part of the broad western alliance against Saddam and the Taliban was absolutely the right thing to do. Under Labor we would have acted as shamefully as the Spanish.  

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No doubt, this was also the opinion of the shoe thrower who did his best to show some solidarity with the Iraqis during the Howard interview with Tony Jones.
Howard (the coward) must have balls the size a nit's nat's nut.


To think that a dreadlocked bozo who throws like a girl has ANYTHING to recommend him (let alone be regarded as a voice for others)  is a step too far - unless he speak for other dreadlocked girlie bozos in which case, what' new (exept you, of course, who is neither dreadliocked, I hope, nor a bozo.) I am not necessarily trying to be personal here, Amadd, just trying to make the broad point that applauding every d!ickhead who is playing to the gallery is not a policy I recommend in the long run.


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Back to the unions:
If you think it's such an honourable exploit to help secure magnanimous profits to greedy banks and the like, then I'll go with your one disallusioned democratic vote.
But it's one vote and one vote only. The majority cast their vote for very different causes.




Debating the unions is important. I fully accept that they are necessary, have a very important role, very important, and that historically they have been a force for good.

I also maintaing that very often, because of their organisational ability and the masses of low IQ armies at their beck and call, they have been utter, utter bastards. That they are not democratic but feudal goes without saying.



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Reply #18 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 5:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 9:11am:
The maritime union might as well be a mafia. They held australia's economy to ransom to line their own pockets. When an 'evil multinational' like microsoft does it, people don't hold back. But because it is a union protecting the right of a small clique of lazy, overpaid, theiving wharfies, people think they can do no wrong.


The changes on the waterfront were done in the manner they were for political gain.

The changes could have and should have been managed in the normal manner and not driven by a government trying to show how tough they were in the lead up to an election.

It was just a different version of children overboard, the Tampa or the electorally unsuccessful NT intervention.

Come down hard on a minority group in an election year in order to snare the red neck / anti union / racist vote.

Very dissapointed by how well it worked.


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Reply #19 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 5:40pm
 
I agree with Freediver.
I love all things Maritime, but the Union! Erk, thats another kettle of fish.
Howard only stayed in for a record number of terms due to the 'lack of' opposition ...something which is why people are fed up with both Lib and ALP altogether. He also dished Costello, just for his own personal fame and record of being the 'longest serving'. Thats all we will remember him for ...the longest serving, nothing else.
The flaw with Howard was that he tried turning Australia into another 'Political Power Nation' ...which isn't really the future of this country, which is why he was always up against the Unions.
But hey, two wrongs not making a right here Liberals and the Eureka Unions.
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Reply #20 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:00pm
 
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Come down hard on a minority group in an election year in order to snare the red neck / anti union / racist vote.


Yes, he should have come down on progressives instead.

Too bad union heads aren't cracked like they were in the 1930s.
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Reply #21 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:13pm
 
Funny how so many are please by any chance to attack unions but do not seem concerned about a PM illegally conspiring against workers for personal political gain.
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Reply #22 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:21pm
 
I think Liberals and the Unions are gonna have a big stoush,
possibly our Civil War?
With the Unions waving the Eureka Stockade Flag (you know, the one started by North Americans), wonder who the Libs are gonna get?
The Rebel Bikers with their Confederate Flag? The are looking towards doing some serious PR work of late Grin

Which leaves the ALP?
...that might be an Independence thing? Wink
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Reply #23 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:02pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:13pm:
Funny how so many are please by any chance to attack unions but do not seem concerned about a PM illegally conspiring against workers for personal political gain.



We'd feel your pain if the unions weren't such utter bastards and weren't oncerned, above all else, about their own political gain.

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Reply #24 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:27pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:02pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:13pm:
Funny how so many are please by any chance to attack unions but do not seem concerned about a PM illegally conspiring against workers for personal political gain.



We'd feel your pain if the unions weren't such utter bastards and weren't oncerned, above all else, about their own political gain.




I would think in this case the unions response was reasonable and moderate considering that the employee’s workplace was invaded in the early hours by a security force wearing balaclavas with attack dogs.

This action was a disgrace and the people who conspired to produce the unnecessary event should have been serving time. Right up to and including the PM.
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Reply #25 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:56pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:13pm:
Funny how so many are please by any chance to attack unions but do not seem concerned about a PM illegally conspiring against workers for personal political gain.



We haven`t forgotten how the low life unions deposed an elected Prime Minister.
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Reply #26 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:57am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 9:11am:
The maritime union might as well be a mafia. They held australia's economy to ransom to line their own pockets. When an 'evil multinational' like microsoft does it, people don't hold back. But because it is a union protecting the right of a small clique of lazy, overpaid, theiving wharfies, people think they can do no wrong.


Interesting. So people don't hold back against Microsoft? Or the corporations
that 'they' were holding to ransom? They must really be hurting yeah?
If your suggesting that the money the maritime "mafia" skimmed is
in any way comparable to the money Microsoft has reaped from its despicable practices... mate, your dreaming.

I'd much prefer the corrupt wharfies giving the corporations some stick then Mr Howard telling me how it should be.
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