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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #30 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 1:21pm
 
Perceptions.
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Btw, if God (he or she) did create the Earth & the stars, then who created God?


The answer is people created God out of their need to understand
the universe & their fear of death.
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #31 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 2:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 1:21pm:
Perceptions.
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Btw, if God (he or she) did create the Earth & the stars, then who created God?


The answer is people created God out of their need to understand
the universe & their fear of death.


Which therefore means -
"There is no god, chaos is the only universal rule and our choices will determine the future of humanity."

To which, given our past history, perhaps I should add, "God help us"???
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #32 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:42pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
muso wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:11pm:
mozzaok wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:33am:
It is amusing how deists can put their entire faith in the musings of unknown bronze age writers, yet totally dismiss a modern man with an incredibly high intellect and the whole accumulated knowledge of civilisation to draw upon.

I think that tells us all we really need to know about their intellects. Wink


That would be theists, mate. Deists have the philosophical god who is either death or couldn't give a stuff.



LOL, fair enuff.



In relation to the question of the existence of God, the bronze age stone chipper probably is about on a par with Hawking.  The Bronze age chipper might have even had inside info?
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Reply #33 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:59pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:55pm:
See my thread:
All Religion is Nonsense:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276917094/0#0


The answers are there!


Yeah - and as I said, I proved that my god existed, and that you couldn't prove that she didn't.
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #34 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 4:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 1:21pm:
Perceptions.
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Btw, if God (he or she) did create the Earth & the stars, then who created God?


The answer is people created God out of their need to understand
the universe & their fear of death.


At last  - you admitted that God exists. (I'll get bored with this argument again soon)
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Reply #35 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 4:04pm
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:42pm:
In relation to the question of the existence of God, the bronze age stone chipper probably is about on a par with Hawking.  The Bronze age chipper might have even had inside info?


Well, the Bronze Age guy with the bad breath lived in a quieter society. He knew that silence was more than just a period of time that your blackberry doesn't ring.

At the same time, he had some pretty ugly tribal prejudices (as well as bad teeth and halitosis.)
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Reply #36 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 4:09pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:57pm:
THE Dilemma


Everything that has ever and will ever happen, is pre-determined, is part of the great plan and therefore choice and freedom of thought, are just an illusion.

There is no god, chaos is the only universal rule and our choices will determine the future of humanity.

Which is more difficult to believe?
Which is more unpalatable?

Btw, if God (he or she) did create the Earth & the stars, then who created God?


The ancient Greeks say that Gaia was born out of Chaos.

That's an interesting way of putting it. In modern parlance, God is that property of the universe that results in entropic anomalies, such as life. 'God' or 'Gaia' is associated with order - the antithesis of chaos.
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Reply #37 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 4:36pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 11:02pm:
Unlikely; but whoever did it is an incompetent idiot.
If there's a God I wouldn't blame it first.

Once upon a time, an elephant was trampling through the dense jungle when his left front foot splashed in a puddle sending some tadpoles flying through the air and ending up in the centre of a giant bromeliad. The tadpoles grew up to be tiny (but strangely sentient) frogs who gained nutrition from the plants and insects that grew or were trapped by the bromeliad.

Generation after generation lived in the centre of the bromeliad, speculating about the nature of the universe, which was defined by bright red and green walls and a sky which varied from blue to grey depending on the seasons. Some speculated on how life originated in their universe, and how they were always supplied by food and water. They speculated that the universe would some day come to an end. They speculated how God must be benevolent, but some who were less content with their lot, speculated that God must be incompetent. Either way, they agreed that God must know everything and must be capable of anything.

Then one day, the Elephant happened to come back and for a moment, the little frogs saw the face of their creator god, but only for a moment, because the next moment, they saw the elephant's back leg rapidly descending on their universe.

For a split second, they considered how on earth God could be so evil as to destroy the world. Then they stopped thinking, because they were dead.

Meanwhile, the Elephant found a nice rich patch of grass and started munching contentedly, oblivious to the fact that he had just destroyed a sentient civilization.
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Reply #38 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 6:33pm
 
What did one of the greatest thinkers in recent history have to say on the issue?

"I should say that the universe is just there, and that is all."

Thank you, Bertrand Russell.  Undecided
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Reply #39 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 7:16pm
 
muso wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 4:04pm:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:42pm:
In relation to the question of the existence of God, the bronze age stone chipper probably is about on a par with Hawking.  The Bronze age chipper might have even had inside info?


Well, the Bronze Age guy with the bad breath lived in a quieter society. He knew that silence was more than just a period of time that your blackberry doesn't ring.

At the same time, he had some pretty ugly tribal prejudices (as well as bad teeth and halitosis.)


& he had a huge goitre hanging off his forehead, but all the girls loved him for his wit and his generous nature.
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #40 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 9:39pm
 
muso wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:55pm:
See my thread:
All Religion is Nonsense:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276917094/0#0


The answers are there!


Yeah - and as I said, I proved that my god existed, and that you couldn't prove that she didn't.


It was 50 pages long & all bases were covered.
It was a splendid win but Nail did help a bit.
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Reply #41 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 6:47am
 
You don`t kow anything about it Bobby, in this regard, science is just approaching the level of inventing the wheel.
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #42 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:42am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 9:39pm:
muso wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 3:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:55pm:
See my thread:
All Religion is Nonsense:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276917094/0#0


The answers are there!


Yeah - and as I said, I proved that my god existed, and that you couldn't prove that she didn't.


It was 50 pages long & all bases were covered.
It was a splendid win but Nail did help a bit.



I'll say to you what I say to anybody else with an irrational faith. Believe what you will  if it helps you or inspires you in some way Smiley

I just know that my God exists, unless my wife threw her out or burnt her. If she did, then it was an uncalled for superstitious act. According to superstition, if I keep the God, I will return some day to Guinea. I didn't burn my God as a symbol of my complete lack of superstition.

If I was superstitious, I would have burnt her some time ago.
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Reply #43 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:47am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 6:47am:
You don`t kow anything about it Bobby, in this regard, science is just approaching the level of inventing the wheel.


Reality is to Science as the Australian outback is to a documentary on the subject.
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Reply #44 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 1:38pm
 
muso wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:47am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 6:47am:
You don`t kow anything about it Bobby, in this regard, science is just approaching the level of inventing the wheel.


Reality is to Science as the Australian outback is to a documentary on the subject.


Boiled eggs always taste best if a little bit runny. Over cook em and they dry out.
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