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God did not create the universe- Hawking
Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 12:52pm

Stephen Hawking has re-ignited the boundary disputes between science and religion in his latest book The Grand Design:

" ‘Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing’. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."

Do you think he's got it right?

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bridonta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 522	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #1 - Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 1:15pm he doesn't know God or even himself ..
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #2 - Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 2:04pm

If that wording is correct I am a little disappointed in it. Although I hold that position as a materialist I would have preferred that he make a statement along the lines that "through the mechanism of gravity spontaneous creation is possible and is one possible explaination for why the universe exists". Nothing else is necessay.

While I don't believe in God, I know he is damned hard to kill.

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Reply #3 - Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 3:23pm

If that wording is correct I am a little disappointed in it. Although I hold that position as a materialist I would have preferred that he make a statement along the lines that "through the mechanism of gravity spontaneous creation is possible and is one possible explaination for why the universe exists". Nothing else is necessay

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Could also look at it another way. In that -

By saying "through the mechanism of gravity spontaneous creation is possible and is one possible explaination for why the universe exists" Isn’t relying the message in simple term - hence it goes over many a man's heads. Huh

Where as what is stated brings on ,hopefully, a robust debate and discussion on the same theory.... Shocked

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #4 - Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 3:29pm utter hoodwink and validation of hawking being a club of rome freemason,knight of malta. the truth is within you namaste
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #6 - Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 4:22pm

Blind people tend to hear 50% better than us.
When I did an Art course, a fair number participating were Deaf - they were often far better than the average with their visual displays.
Dementia Patients (though Western Medicine is yet to catch on ...yet) tend to 'feel' a lot more and can sense your emotions far better than the you can yourself. If you are in a bad mood - they'll let you know it alright.

...something lost is something gained.

Sure some people chase after what they are lost like Para Olympians, whereas some just see what they can gain instead - like a physically handicapped person getting a few Uni degrees.

Stephen Hawkings is so physically buggered up that he puts his entire potential into what he has gained, not what he has lost and that is his mental capabilities. Little wonder that he could present an entire physics theory as a personal philosophy in one go.
I guess there are a lot of jealous Scientists out there who study hard to be even smarter than what they are and then see this physically crippled man come and do the same almost naturally ...if not forced to by his own 'lack of'.

So with Religion being a creation via the creation of writing which was influenced by an appraisal of the Moon known as Sin at the Temple of Ur. God and the concept of God has just been an ever changing belief system. Invisible to justify its all-encompassing justification of claiming empowerment over everything.

I think the Universe, as we now know it, is much bigger than any God, Jehovah, Allah, Yalweh ...ever was in the mind, let alone the writings, of Man.

God is a carrot on the end of a stick for some - they'll never get it, no matter how many directions you give em for explaination.

Onya Stephen Hawkings!

When I had to watch people die (Palliative). Some would be anxious about their impending death (mostly smokers). They would ask me about Heaven and God fearfully ...like I said, fearfully.
The best I could answer them was ..."You will go to wherever your 'dreams' will take you".
This to me is as good as it gets.

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Ziggy Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #7 - Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 7:02pm In a way, he could be falling into the hands of religion. In his formula for universes- a pinch of gravity and a pinch of nothing- we are getting awfully close to the "Word". What is the nature of gravity in nothing? Pretty abstract, to say the least.
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vegitamite Ex Member	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #8 - Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 7:58pm You will go to wherever your 'dreams' will take you ============================== Wow .. thats deep but
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #9 - Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 8:25pm

Ziggy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 7:02pm:

In a way, he could be falling into the hands of religion. In his formula for universes- a pinch of gravity and a pinch of nothing- we are getting awfully close to the "Word". What is the nature of gravity in nothing? Pretty abstract, to say the least.

Gravity by it's very nature is interlocked with mass. To talk about gravity and nothing does not make sense.

To paraphrase Terry Pratchett (incorrectly) "In the beginning there was something and then it exploded"

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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #10 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 6:37pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 4:22pm:

Blind people tend to hear 50% better than us.
When I did an Art course, a fair number participating were Deaf - they were often far better than the average with their visual displays.
Dementia Patients (though Western Medicine is yet to catch on ...yet) tend to 'feel' a lot more and can sense your emotions far better than the you can yourself. If you are in a bad mood - they'll let you know it alright.

...something lost is something gained.

Sure some people chase after what they are lost like Para Olympians, whereas some just see what they can gain instead - like a physically handicapped person getting a few Uni degrees.

Stephen Hawkings is so physically buggered up that he puts his entire potential into what he has gained, not what he has lost and that is his mental capabilities. Little wonder that he could present an entire physics theory as a personal philosophy in one go.
I guess there are a lot of jealous Scientists out there who study hard to be even smarter than what they are and then see this physically crippled man come and do the same almost naturally ...if not forced to by his own 'lack of'.

So with Religion being a creation via the creation of writing which was influenced by an appraisal of the Moon known as Sin at the Temple of Ur. God and the concept of God has just been an ever changing belief system. Invisible to justify its all-encompassing justification of claiming empowerment over everything.

I think the Universe, as we now know it, is much bigger than any God, Jehovah, Allah, Yalweh ...ever was in the mind, let alone the writings, of Man.

God is a carrot on the end of a stick for some - they'll never get it, no matter how many directions you give em for explaination.

sorry about this long quote, but, how does it, this text, explain the ungodly politicians extant in Australia.
what are these ppl? God's fart?
j.

Onya Stephen Hawkings!

When I had to watch people die (Palliative). Some would be anxious about their impending death (mostly smokers). They would ask me about Heaven and God fearfully ...like I said, fearfully.
The best I could answer them was ..."You will go to wherever your 'dreams' will take you".
This to me is as good as it gets.

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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #11 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:11pm Ziggy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 12:52pm: " ‘Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing’. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." That`s easy for him to say.
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #12 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:12pm

Ziggy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 12:52pm:

Stephen Hawking has re-ignited the boundary disputes between science and religion in his latest book The Grand Design:

" ‘Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing’. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."

Do you think he's got it right?

The man is correct.

But that won't stop the militant Christians from insisting that their imaginary friend exists.

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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #13 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:18pm Thats why Religious people have a 'Gun' problem, as if they were 'Militants' Jsut as much as Musicians have a 'Drug' problem, as if they were 'Medical'.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120102 Melbourne Gender:	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #14 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 10:24pm Hawking is right. The Universe was created from nothing. The total energy of the universe is equal to zero.
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