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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #15 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 10:44pm Kabbalists have never believed, as I understand them, that God created the Universe. They say that Adam Kadmon did. Maybe that's a more accurate metaphor for what Hawking is on about. Hinduism, I think, says something similar. Why would a God actually want to create a stuff up like this?
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #16 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 11:00pm

shampain socialist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 10:44pm:

Kabbalists have never believed, as I understand them, that God created the Universe. They say that Adam Kadmon did. Maybe that's a more accurate metaphor for what Hawking is on about.
Hinduism, I think, says something similar.

Why would a God actually want to create a stuff up like this?

runs and Giggles?

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM

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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #17 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 11:02pm Unlikely; but whoever did it is an incompetent idiot. If there's a God I wouldn't blame it first.
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #18 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 11:05pm

shampain socialist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 11:02pm:

Unlikely; but whoever did it is an incompetent idiot.
If there's a God I wouldn't blame it first.

God does not exist.
See the debate on a thread I started which I won easily.

All Religion is Nonsense:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276917094/0#0

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #19 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:07am Why would a God actually want to create a stuff up like this? __________ and so it is i am before you all once more, this 'stuff up' is nothing of the sort. this experience is for you to do just that...to just be. what will you create? is it LOVE or fear? have a go will yas? namaste
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Reply #20 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 8:56am

I`m bemused by the credibility given to a vegetable in a straight jacket re the existance of god. Although it would be churlish to obstruct a little chappie in Hawking`s position from having his little bit of fun, I wouldn`t be overly confident in his actual ability to arrive at a correct conclusion on subjects of this magnitude.

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Reply #21 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 9:20am

Ziggy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 12:52pm:

Stephen Hawking has re-ignited the boundary disputes between science and religion in his latest book The Grand Design:

" ‘Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing’. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."

Do you think he's got it right?

Asking the question where did gravity come from? Did God create Gravity?

Seems to be making the conclusion that gravity existed before the big bang justified by the theory that the Big Bang was triggered by gravity.

Seems a bit self fulfilling, difficult to justify and based on the conclusion that gravity is nothing which I could possibly dboubt.

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Reply #22 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 11:16am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 8:56am:

I`m bemused by the credibility given to a vegetable in a straight jacket re the existance of god. Although it would be churlish to obstruct a little chappie in Hawking`s position from having his little bit of fun, I wouldn`t be overly confident in his actual ability to arrive at a correct conclusion on subjects of this magnitude.

WTF!?

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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #23 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 11:23am

Ziggy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2010 at 12:52pm:

Stephen Hawking has re-ignited the boundary disputes between science and religion in his latest book The Grand Design:

" ‘Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing’. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."

Do you think he's got it right?

Who is this bloke?
Just an insignificant Pome cripple, whose already once was wrong about black holes.
That's why God already marked him.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #24 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 11:33am It is amusing how deists can put their entire faith in the musings of unknown bronze age writers, yet totally dismiss a modern man with an incredibly high intellect and the whole accumulated knowledge of civilisation to draw upon. I think that tells us all we really need to know about their intellects.
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Reply #25 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 12:11pm

mozzaok wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

It is amusing how deists can put their entire faith in the musings of unknown bronze age writers, yet totally dismiss a modern man with an incredibly high intellect and the whole accumulated knowledge of civilisation to draw upon.

I think that tells us all we really need to know about their intellects. Wink

That would be theists, mate. Deists have the philosophical god who is either dead or couldn't give a stuff.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #26 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 12:14pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 11:05pm: shampain socialist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 11:02pm: Unlikely; but whoever did it is an incompetent idiot. If there's a God I wouldn't blame it first. God does not exist. Yes she does! I won that argument.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120160 Melbourne Gender:	Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking Reply #27 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 12:55pm See my thread: All Religion is Nonsense: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1276917094/0#0 The answers are there!
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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #28 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 12:57pm

THE Dilemma

Everything that has ever and will ever happen, is pre-determined, is part of the great plan and therefore choice and freedom of thought, are just an illusion.

There is no god, chaos is the only universal rule and our choices will determine the future of humanity.

Which is more difficult to believe?
Which is more unpalatable?

Btw, if God (he or she) did create the Earth & the stars, then who created God?

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Re: God did not create the universe- Hawking
Reply #29 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 1:00pm

muso wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 12:11pm:

mozzaok wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

It is amusing how deists can put their entire faith in the musings of unknown bronze age writers, yet totally dismiss a modern man with an incredibly high intellect and the whole accumulated knowledge of civilisation to draw upon.

I think that tells us all we really need to know about their intellects. Wink

That would be theists, mate. Deists have the philosophical god who is either death or couldn't give a stuff.

LOL, fair enuff.

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