Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 4 
Send Topic Print
the politics of regional communities (Read 5545 times)
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #45 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 10:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 10:06pm:
Nothing else offered up? How about not wasting huge quantities of water on the dryest continent on earth? How about piping the water instead?


Piping water isn't as successful as 'covered' canals.....Pipes are fairly rigid and as such have a tendency to crack or rupture, due to shifts in the soil.

Canals, on the other hand flex a lot more in response to the same soil shifts, and as the coverings aren't a solid part, but are placed over the top, they too will allow more flexibilty....
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #46 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:47am
 
Exactly!

...and if it rains,
where's it gonna run into?

= a Canal,

- not a Pipe.
Smiley
Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #47 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 7:56am
 
Quote:
Piping water isn't as successful as 'covered' canals


By what measure are they successful? You have tried to come up with a few technical measures, like heat etc, but they all turned out to be complete BS. Canals loose far more water than pipes.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #48 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:37am
 
I must say Freediver, there are many instances where Canals CAN'T be created and this is where Pipes would come into effect I'm sure.
Not all of the terrain is suited to Canals in regards to moving the water from A to B to C ...to Z.

With this said, I'm sure the people of the recently Flooded Ballarat area would like some Canals to filter the waters away to some part of Australia that could do with it. Then again, maybe I'm wrong and the locals just want Cash in Hand  Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
shampain socialist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1004
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #49 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:48am
 
most of these suggestions reflect the same Eurocentric view of the unique Australian landscape - canals, Venice, aquaducts, ra ra ra...

Do you know almost the whole of Australia sits on top of a huge aquifer?
Do you know that almost the while of the Australian landscape is threatened with ruin because of rising salt tables? The situation in Western Australia is horrendous and this is spreading rapidly across Australia. It is not so much "spreading" as "rising" from underground.

This is because there has been wholesale destruction of tree cover in this country over the relatively short time since European settlement. The trees used to keep the water down and the ground shaded and created a cooling microclimate. Now that there are no trees, the salty water is free to rise and erupts everywhere and completely destroys the soil for any type of plant growth, so you end up with a great big Lake Eyre situation. 
So you want to pipe more water in and put it in the ground and just make the salt rise faster, and not worry about the destruction of trees?
Australia is an ancient landscape, it looked after itself and kept itself hydrated for millions of years. It has now been ruined in the space of around 200 years.  There won't be any politics in regional areas and others as well, if these issues aren't addressed, and they are not being.
Back to top
 

Labor Marxist Feministas Unite!&&Take over the World! Nationalise spermbanks! Abolish Men!
 
IP Logged
 
shampain socialist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1004
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #50 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:51am
 
Australia consisted of huge wetlands and swamps which sustained the land and fauna. When Europeans arrived, they dug canals and drained these away. Now the soil is exhausted and dry. The Murray River is a good example, and what does the Labor government do? Buy back water entitlements and tip the water back into the ditch! What do they do on the Darling? Spend literally millions of dollars buying back a water conserving property, (the sellers must be laughing all the way to the bank), and now the property is apparently dry as a chip.
Unbelievable. Just shows you how much city based politicians and bureaucrats don't know - people see them as stupid cash cows.
This ignorance is literally ruining this country.
Back to top
 

Labor Marxist Feministas Unite!&&Take over the World! Nationalise spermbanks! Abolish Men!
 
IP Logged
 
shampain socialist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1004
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #51 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 1:01am
 
and on top of that the leftist governments in particular in this country allow the decline and eventual destruction of regional agricultural industries in particular sacrificed to the great God Globalism, so that cheap produce is imported into this country and we end up paying more for it anyway. Destroy a whole country's agriculture to make a few people very rich, and makes your Labor Party sounds oh so politically correct, so the city people will vote for you.
Back to top
 

Labor Marxist Feministas Unite!&&Take over the World! Nationalise spermbanks! Abolish Men!
 
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #52 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 1:42am
 
The immediate purpose of the Canals which I am talking about is for alleviating the problems of Flood and Drought.
The byproduct of these Canals are many...
By creating a spiderweb, just to name a design, of giant Canals acrosss the Continent, where smaller minor Canals run off and into - you create a watery availabilty to the environment.
Like I said: If a Canal ran its way through the Simpson Desert - there would be a degree of temperature change and humidity as water passed back and forth (depending on where it was needed) and sometimes remained stationary. During the day there would be evaporation - but this evaporation would be in the immediate atmosphere, which 'could' occassionally result in light rain for want of none at all come the afternoon. During the night, the cool moisture of the water would drift across the immediate land - resulting in dew, a form of watering the garden ...night after night.
Animals of all kinds would be able to 'drink' and participate via these water Canals in greater proliferation than just the odd Lake Eyre moment.
People would have more availabilty to water and usage.
By the availability of such water, more TREES can be grown and supported - resulting in cooler temps, shade for better soil (because worms aren't burnt out of existence from an ever present sun beating down upon the soil), more 02 for an ever dwindling atmosphere, higher probability for decent rains.
The compartmental of land by the Canals running this way and that, would result in a large number of Bridges being built (but I'm sure us Australians are cool with that considering the Sydney Harbour Bridge for starters) - and Pest Species being easily erradicated or controlled due to isolation techniques with the help of such compartmentality of the land by Canal bounderies.
Bushfires might be better contained in areas where a Canal blocks further progression.
During Sydney's 'Water Shortage' years - When the rains did evetually hit, only 18 inches would fall into Warragamba Dam (a few metres worth was Algae plagued) but a whopping 20 metres worth would fall upon Sydney streets, down stormwater drains and out to sea.
In person, a lot of Sydney Water Employees would tell me "A complete 'effin Waste!!"
The World looks to Australia for Water wisdom and expertise and it might be our best asset as surely as the Americans are the best at Flight and Space.

The advantages are endless and I'm sure there is much more than I know.
But if you think such a system is just for Euro-Venetian Gondolas ...I'm sure the Canals can accommodate your sense of Romance as I'm sure they would lend much to such novel experiences in the future.

"Row row row ya boat, gently down the stream (canal). Merrily merrily - life is but a 'dream'."
Cool Smiley

Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #53 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:00pm
 
Quote:
With this said, I'm sure the people of the recently Flooded Ballarat area would like some Canals to filter the waters away to some part of Australia that could do with it.


So the water would just magically flow uphil because there is a canal?

Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #54 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 9:35am
 
There are scientifically proven methods based upon ancient civilisations that show that by you standing at the end of one canal and bucketing the water up and into another canal - to be the most effective.  Wink

Seriously though, this Country (who cares what Flag and what Name the Country is!!) needs to prioritise its 'use' of WATER. Besides the whole world waiting for us the become the most advanced nation in that field, 'we' need to take control for ourselves as well.
The recent Victorian Floods just prove what we are left with and this is something that quick-fix Cash-Handouts will never rectify.
We need SOLUTIONS and we need ACTION with the best of those solutions. So what if 50 years down the track, the Solution becomes 'outdated', at least it has done its time for what it is worth.

>Fix up our natural waterways (even if they are shallow and warm/evaporate quickly) that are in place already.
>Plan distribute Canal, Pipe, Drainage sytems that are aided by various methods of control in moving, purifying, recycling and containing.
>Get the Prisoners out into the sunshine to do 'some' work besides buggering each other, doing Smack and watching Foxtel.
>Get the Dole Bludgers out to do some 'constructive' Work For the Dole Schemes.
>Etc (I'm sure)

Its as simple as Tic-Tac-Toe: Have a vacant square of desert, add four lines of water (canals) and within a few years you have something from nothing to play with.

Smiley
Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #55 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 8:01pm
 
...well I've just read in the paper today that they are indeed endeavouring to turn the Parramatta area of the Parramatta River into a 'Venice', with markets and Gondolas (I hope some really nice lighting too. Modern lighting though please.).
I think this would be absolutely superb! Smiley Cool

Now, does anyone else have some helpful input regarding alleviating Floods (into Drought areas) constructively?
Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53184
At my desk.
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #56 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:25am
 
Quote:
As part of her agreement with the two independents, Ms Gillard has pledged benefits of $9.9 billion for regional Australia.


What else would you expect?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: the politics of regional communities
Reply #57 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 11:50am
 
Is this where 'little australia' starts bleeding the Labor Government (and the UK?) and later the Liberal Government (the USA?) dry?
Grin
Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 4 
Send Topic Print