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Aug 13th, 2010 at 1:21pm
 
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The schoolgirl courts the pimp

The frog courts the scorpion

The Fishing Party Courts the Coalition


I have just finished looking through the senate group voting tickets for the upcoming election. I put together a guide for voters to let people know where their vote is likely to end up if they vote above the line.

In 3 out of 7 senate tickets, the fishing and shooting party preferences the coaltiion in second place, ahead of any other minor party. In other words, a vote for the fishing party is a vote for the coalition. In the remaining states the coalition is in close to second place, usually second only to the Christian Democrats. It is even more interesting in Queensland, where a competing fishing party lists the coalition second, but puts the fishing and shooting party in 7th place. This points to an ideological rather than strategic preference for the coalition. Even the Greens, who have a 'deal' with Labor that sees them in second place on the Labor ticket, put many other minor parties ahead of Labor on their ticket. The reason for this is simple strategy. It allows the Greens to collect preferences from a few minor parties to help them get over the line, but will not prevent Labor from getting the Greens preferences if the Greens candidate gets eliminated, because those minor parties will most likely get eliminated first. The website of the 'old' fishing party has on it's front page in large print a statement of support for coalition policy and a request that voters put the Greens and labor last, but does not even mention candidates from either fishing party.

What makes this ideological preference for the coalition so interesting is the rather 'chequered' history between the two groups. Consider some examples:

In the leadup to the 2004 federal election, the fishing party (at the time there was only one) ran a scare campaign claiming that fishing would be banned along the entire coastline of Queensland that is adjacent to the Great Barrier Reef. Although it was absurd and irrelevant in a federal election, it worked. The fishing party took nearly half a percent of the votes in the QLD senate (by my estimates that is a vote from about one in every 30 fishermen). These above the line votes went to the coalition which, thanks to the extra two senate seats they won in Queensland, gained control of both houses of parliament for the first time since 1981. The fishing party must have been overjoyed at playing a significant role in this outcome and anticipated a few favours. What they got instead was the Great Barrier Reef marine park network - at the time the largest in the world (recently overtaken by Hawaii). For a party whose catch cry is 'say NO to no take zones', this must have been a kick in the guts. They complained bitterly about it and to this day the GBR marine park network is a common complaint in their campaigning. Interestingly, they refuse to blame the coalition for their role in it, even though the coalition was directly responsible. They have tried to blame everyone but the coalition.

You would expect this to have made them 'twice shy' in their dealings with the coalition. Apparently not. They followed this up by declaring that the NSw coalition was going to abolish two of the state's marine parks. This claim did the rounds for a long time in the leadup to the state election and still gets trotted out, but no-one bothered to check whether it was true. The closest thing I have found is a promise to 'review' the marine parks. Neither the coalition nor the fishing party made any attempt to correct this misrepresentation, so one can only assume they both had an interest in perpetuating it. Fortunately the coalition lost that state election so there was no need for any embarassing attempts at blame shifting.

Recently, the federal government set up some large marine parks in areas of particular interest to scientists off the coast of Tasmania. The fishing party ran yet another scare campaign, but it must have been hard to get recreational fishermen wound up about federal waters off the Tasmanian coast. After the parks went in the fishing party was a bit more savvy and is now praising the coalition for not banning fishing close to the shore, even though these waters are the jurisdiction of the state government.

This praise coincides with recent claims that Tony Abbott is going to halt the marine park expansion if elected in 2010. In response, the Labor party has agreed to go into further consultation with the fishing community if elected, but the fishing party has suddenly acquired the ability to see through political spin and are describing this as empty rhetoric. Lengthy consultation processes are always part of the process. The fishing party discourages people from providing any details about what they want (other than no marine parks) in case their favourite spots get locked up. Then after the locations are selected they complain that they weren't listened to and that now their favourite spots have been locked up. Curious, I tried to track down the claim by Tony Abbott. What I found instead was a promise of more marine parks, but that there would be a temporary halt while they consulted with the public.

It makes me wish I was a cartoonist.
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Reply #1 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 5:49pm
 
How about wishing for half a brain FD?

As to you series of strawman's do you think you can provide some evidence that the Fishing Party ran a scare campaign along the lines that "fishing would be banned along the entire coastline of Queensland that is adjacent to the Great Barrier Reef". While your at it could you provide some evidence that they don't blame the coalition for the GBRMP?

Regarding your main argument you ignore the fact that pressure from recreational fishing interests has in fact been shown to work. Ie in the case of state Tas marine parks and the NT. The Tas premier even wrote a letter to every angler in the state saying the will not be affected by the states new marine parks!
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Reply #2 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 11:36pm
 
Yet FD makes no comparison of the Greens courtship of the Labor party?

Your bias precludes you from making judgements when your left leaning ideology blinds you to the workings within the left.

I'm surprised you wasted any energy writing that tired and boring piece of biased crap... although, maybe not so surprised. You aren't all that bright to realise the irony
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Reply #3 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 9:10am
 
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Yet FD makes no comparison of the Greens courtship of the Labor party?


Actually I do. It is in the article.

The Greens get something in return. Are you suggesting they don't? I have certainly never seen them make up concessions from the Labor party.
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Reply #4 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 10:49am
 
FD has also ignored the fact that conservation groups are up in arms regarding the Coalitions marine park policy. This sounds like the Coalition must be on the right track! At the very least it is an indication that there is indeed a difference between the policies of the major parties.
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Reply #5 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 11:21am
 
Who in particular is up in arms?
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Reply #6 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 11:23am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2010 at 11:21am:
Who in particular is up in arms?


AMCS have issued a press release along those lines.
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Reply #7 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 4:04pm
 
The wanderlust society also has a campaign against the coalition

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Reply #8 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 4:23pm
 
I see. I guess that's the risk you take when you try to appeal to both ends of the spectrum at the same time.
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Reply #9 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 6:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2010 at 4:23pm:
I see. I guess that's the risk you take when you try to appeal to both ends of the spectrum at the same time.


And how are they doing that?
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Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 7:27pm
 
Well, there is the GBR marine park - at the time the biggest in the world. Then the Tassie marine parks. The coalition was very busy weren't they? Then we have Abbott's pledge of more marine parks.

That's how they appeal to the pro marine park lobby.

They appeal to the anti marine park lobby by referring to the standard consultation process as 'putting an end to the expansion' process - that they happened to be responsible for and which didn't really go anywhere under Labor.

That's how.

Basically, they wind up the anti marine park lobby with lots of marine parks, then get that same lobby to vote them back in so they can have more marine parks, but this time they will take them seriously. I am surprised as you are that it works, but it does work.
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Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 7:56pm
 
[]Well, there is the GBR marine park - at the time the biggest in the world.

It's common knowledge that came about due to the unique political situation of the time. Given the cost and the outrageous behaviour of the GBRMPA I don't think they well be in a rush to do something like that again.

Then the Tassie marine parks. The coalition was very busy weren't they? Then we have Abbott's pledge of more marine parks.

I thought the Tassie parks had little impact on fishing, esp recreational fishing. 

That's how they appeal to the pro marine park lobby.

They appeal to the anti marine park lobby by referring to the standard consultation process as 'putting an end to the expansion' process - that they happened to be responsible for and which didn't really go anywhere under Labor.

What is the 'standard consultation process'? Is there is such a thing? Marine park outcomes can vary from all NTZ to defacto recreational fishing havens. 

That's how.

Basically, they wind up the anti marine park lobby with lots of marine parks, then get that same lobby to vote them back in so they can have more marine parks, but this time they will take them seriously. I am surprised as you are that it works, but it does work.

Firstly your rewritng history then you are predicting the future.
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Reply #12 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 8:12pm
 
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It's common knowledge that came about due to the unique political situation of the time.


How was it unique?

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Given the cost and the outrageous behaviour of the GBRMPA I don't think they well be in a rush to do something like that again.


You mean like what they did soon after in Tassie?
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Reply #13 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:06am
 
30] Quote:
It's common knowledge that came about due to the unique political situation of the time.


How was it unique?

The Coalition was desperate to get the GST passed. The GBRMP was part of the deal with the Democrats to get them to vote for it.

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Given the cost and the outrageous behaviour of the GBRMPA I don't think they well be in a rush to do something like that again.


You mean like what they did soon after in Tassie? [/quote]

How do the Tassies MP's resemble the GBRMP?
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Reply #14 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:10am
 
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The Coalition was desperate to get the GST passed. The GBRMP was part of the deal with the Democrats to get them to vote for it.


So only the specific details are unique? Isn't this kind of a moot point, or am I missing something? Are you perhaps suggesting that only that particular narrow combination of events could lead the coalition to screw the fishing party yet again?
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