||And your point? I vote GREEN not Labor, if the Libs had a liberal leader like the ones i've mentioned I would preference them, but seeing as though they have the most extreme right wing neo con to ever stand for office as their leader, they can get stuffed I will preferece Labor.
I dont hate the Liberal party, I hate the extreme neo con leading it.||

they are the kinds of silly statements that undermine your credibility. Abbott is right-wing but no where near EXTREME. look to the LDP for that kind of position. being slight (at best) right of Gillard means nothing since her policy positions are also right-wing. can you really identify a policy of SUBSTANCE that is different between gillard and abbott? I cant. and by substance I mean more than the details. So here is a challenge. find a policy of substance that is different between the two and I mean POLICY not opinions or hearsay.

bet you cant.

Perhaps this ought to come under a separate topic titled: Honest reflections on BOTH leaders"

.. but both leaders are boring me shitless!!!!

They look wrong, they talk wrong, they walk wrong, they laugh wrong .. and they're all 2nd rate predictable BS rhetoric driven puppets.

No oratory flair or charisma to be seen anywhere. Surely both parties could have pushed forward better candidates???

Surely???

sighs ..

Could someone please wake me up when this pre scripted amateur and cringeworthy rerun is all over?

I do not think much of those Liberal leaders you mentioned Skippy.
Menzies lied to the Parliament to get us into Vietnam, as well as presiding over our previous big resource boom, and like Howard, totally ignored building infrastructure.

Holt was not terrible, but did nothing worthwhile in his time, Gorton was OK, and Fraser was shocking.
He has so much guilt over his mean spirited treatment of the less fortunate society whilst in power that he has been over compensating ever since, and has become an embarrassment to his former party because of that fact.

Longy brought up Labor's record, and the thing the Lib supporters either through ignorance, or dis-ingenuousness, always harp on about is their economic record.

Whitlam got dumped over the loans affair, when Fraser blocked supply.

The loans were to build twin pipelines from the north west cape, across the top of Australia, and down the whole Eastern seaboard.
They would have supplied clean, cheap Natural gas, and clean abundant water.
If Labor had not have been dumped, we would as a country be in a far better environmental, and economic state, than we are now.

It was a brilliant and bold, Nation Building idea, something that no Liberal government has ever offered.

The potential for clean cheap power to fuel industry was about turning Australia from a quarry, into an industrial economy, but the Libs today are just as wedded to the idea of Australia as good for nothing but a quarry as they were all those years ago.
Old quarries become tips, and with Liberal leadership that is what they will make Australia.

The simple fact about the economic management issue is that we are part of the world economy, and the only really successful action to isolate ourselves from the effects of global economic turmoils was the recent action of this government.
Previous interest rate moves, and unemployment and inflation issues were all reflections of what was happening in the wider world, and unless the Libs claim that changing parties in Australia sparks world financial crises, then the issues of the past can not be blamed upon Labor, no more than the Libs can take credit for the boom in China which sparked the resource boom.

Oh, that is right, they do take credit for that.
Well that is dishonest isn't it?
Do you think they may be being dishonest about the other economic issues as well?

.. and those oh so tacky political advertisement which makes one cringe and reach out for skewers!

Seriously .. it all beggars bloody belief!

What do we ALL want??

A government damn it .. just bloody get in there and govern .. govern our economy first and foremost .. and FFS lead us not into the temptation to vote you out because of your botched up bungled buffoonery  .. because we're over it!

Just frigging manage/lead/perform/and above all else DONT screw us around and expect us to say, "Thanks could you do it again .. coz that isn't going to happen!"

mozzaok wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 1:22pm:

I dont think they were great leaders mozz, though I liked Gorton, but thats not my point, my point is that they were liberals, not extreme rights like Abbott.

Whitlam the big spender. . .surplus budgets. “Good economic manager” John Howard as Fraser’s Treasurer had biggest ever deficit, interest rates and unemployment: at least Rudd prevented high interest rates and high unemployment. Howard PM spent all the so-called surpluses racked up 2001-7, leaving us in huge deficit when the GFC hit.

Nope, Lib economic record nothing to write home about!

Ohhh Darwin .. just remembered who you were lmao