skippy. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2010 at 1:00pm:


Not sure, but i'm told Greens popularity has declined in recent weeks, not sure if this is due to their preference swing or not..this or Bob Brown admitting on lateline he himself disagrees with his own partys decision to allocate preferences, but they've lost lustre and votes in recent weeks,... SA have recently pulled out of Greens national consensus (re- Labor preferences)full-stop... since Bob Brown appeared on Lateline. And I think at least one other Greens member has also.

Lemmy get back to you on this...

Bottom line, how can we place faith in a party who's leader isn't in agreeance with his own party, this and  remains divided, and seemingly not at ease with his partys own preference deal...  on what may very well hold the balance of power in terms of who wins, and who loses this election?

It appears the radical rebel Greens have rebelled against their own party's leader even, this or he's rebelled against them..dunno....

I reckon Bob Brown will retire soon, and someone else will lead the Greens.

He's making too many mistakes, particularly where the media are concerned.

He would have done better to decline the interview, this opposed to putting his foot in it.

Whilst they may be doing considerably better since last election...they have declined again since Bob Brown went on lateline and dropped the bomb re-preference votes.

Hence SA have pulled out, (though Greens have now withdrawn this alleged amended action a few days ago) many having boycotted the preference arrangement altogether , Oh what a mess Skip..
Check out this poll...

http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agribusiness-and-general/pol...

because Greens supporting either leading party's seemingly against their own better judgement  has annoyed quite a few traditional green voters, (on specific issues), now it appears they are not satisfied with their party supporting/promoting any of our leading partys, much less family first , the party they traditionally regard as being fundamentally racist.

Not upset at all Skip, they have done damage to their own credibility this election with their double-standard preferences, without anyone's support.

Now they are being regarded by their own even as being that Other-Labor Party.  ...  Has a nice ring to it don't you think? OLP! pmsl

Or perhaps they should just call it Labors-Other-preference-Party..rearrange the letters a little, keep in theme with their leader Bob Brown and just call it PLOP!

Sorry, I'm being a tad childish, but you have to admit Skip, they aren't in good form , as a party I mean, given they remain quite divided on the preference arrangement/enforcement.

Honestly, they need to put Bob Brown to bed.

I agree that Labor is not a Left Party any more, even though they do have their Leftie dinosaurs the fact is they are a little right of centre on many issues, whilst the Libs drifted further and further right under the Howard leadership.
Turnbull tried to turn that around, and if Abbott hadn't knifed him, or if Howard had not lied to Costello, and reneged on his word, then the Libs would be a shoe in for this election, because they would be a far more centrist party than that we see under Abbott.

The Libs have three choices, split off from the right wing loonies, start a new party, and reclaim the middle ground, or stay as one party but put a moderate leader up who can lead them slowly back to the middle ground, or get used to being right wing loons in opposition.

Hey Mozz, say if Bronwyn Bishop had have taken the liberal lead when Abbot came in, do you think this would have made a difference?

It's getting ridiculous, some people are really taking the V-vote thing too far...and of course little pink ribbons on all our grocery items doesn't help...(there aren't too many blue ribbons on mens products)..despite Julia Gillards partner being Labors ambassador for mens health.

I think as a nation, if anything, this obvious gender bias demonstrates our nations overall lack of maturity where voting is concerned...when this election has very much become a battle of the sexes.

Disappointing, and I'm embarrassed of my fellow man and woman kind  for demonstrating how superficial and ignorant we all really are , but worthy of consideration in terms of planning future elections.

Had Libs seen Gillard coming, do you suppose they would have appointed Bronwyn Bishop as their leader instead?

This or at least toyed with the prospect?



I sure hope it passes, irrespective of who wins the election, I doubt anyone would like to think they got in on gender alone, particularly with respects to our nation being notoriously sexist as it is.
(however hard we try to deny it)....
I think this election has demonstrated that both woman and men in Australia are equally gender biased, and if nothing else is achieved in the lead up to this election, perhaps we could all learn a little something from this in terms of neutrality, merit, and perceived entitlement.

mellie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2010 at 2:38pm:



You left out the fact that she was virtually forced to take the job by the right wing of the victorian branch of the party.

Labor has left wing ideology with right wing pragmatism, and guess which one wins, the beliefs, or the necessities?

And also, surely you meant JULIE Bishop, not that other old trout that looks like an extra from a carry on film, Matron Cuddlemequick, or some such character, brrrrhhhh, I get cold chills just thinking about it.

skippy. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:


Turnbull didnt stand a chance.  His popularity was in the pits and the ALP had more than a commanding lead over the Libs.  You just liked Turnbull more because he was going to give you your ETS