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Reply #525 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 12:05pm
 
Well that doesn't just apply to modern music, if most operas weren't in  languages not known to us, I am sure we would be less impressed with the meaning of the words, than we are with just the sound of them.
That is where "modern" music has it all over anything that has gone before, in the lyrics, a great deal of it is filled with beautiful prose and stirring imagery, to compliment the music.

I have never acquainted myself with classical music, so do not have the love of it that you do, but I do not therefore deride it as rubbish.
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Reply #526 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:15pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Nov 14th, 2010 at 6:07pm:
Gee, I have always loved, "La Mer", I wish I had not seen the translation, it diminishes the whole song for me knowing that the imagery used is so banal, it does not do the music justice.


Mozzaok - no translation can do this song justice.
The translation was only provided as a guide.
Things are not always so black & white.
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Reply #527 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:30pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:15pm:
mozzaok wrote on Nov 14th, 2010 at 6:07pm:
Gee, I have always loved, "La Mer", I wish I had not seen the translation, it diminishes the whole song for me knowing that the imagery used is so banal, it does not do the music justice.


Mozzaok - no translation can do this song justice.
The translation was only provided as a guide.
Things are not always so black & white.


Yes, It's very beautiful in French. There are all kinds of subtleties and cosonances between La Mer, l'amour and La Mere for example.

Bercer is associated with berceau (cradle), so you have the implication that sea (La mer and la mere - mother sound identical) was a kind of formative influence from early life and the images are child-like, suggesting a child arriving at the sea and catching impressions of all these things.   

Instead of the "clear gulfs", I'd say the sun-drenched bays would be better in English.

Voyez! is mis-translated as "let us see" or see. In that context it means "Look! 

"Regarder" didn't fit in.
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Reply #528 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:47pm
 
It's funny how familar phrases are often mistranslated between languages. When I was crossing the Niger River, I asked my assistant if it was fresh water all the way. He said no - It's quite warm. Frais means cold in French. He also tended to use the word "Actually" in English the same way they use "actuellement" in French. (Right now)

He spoke perfect English apart from a few linguistic artifacts like that.
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Reply #529 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 13th, 2010 at 8:48pm:
This one is for you Lisa.
I know that you like the French language.
This is the best rendition of La Mer ever as
it's sung by the guy who wrote it.
It's being used as  an advert on TV now by another singer.
French really is a beautiful language.



Bobby Darin's version isn't half bad - considering.
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Reply #530 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 4:00pm
 
All this talk of the French language, and that which is lost through translation, reminds me again of Serge Gainsbourg.

The man was a master at playing with words, meanings etc. He was the best - by a long shot - at playing with double entendres (and was doing it before many others were) in much of his music, but so much of the genius behind it is lost in English.
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Reply #531 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 6:07pm
 
muso wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:15pm:
mozzaok wrote on Nov 14th, 2010 at 6:07pm:
Gee, I have always loved, "La Mer", I wish I had not seen the translation, it diminishes the whole song for me knowing that the imagery used is so banal, it does not do the music justice.


Mozzaok - no translation can do this song justice.
The translation was only provided as a guide.
Things are not always so black & white.


Yes, It's very beautiful in French. There are all kinds of subtleties and cosonances between La Mer, l'amour and La Mere for example.

Bercer is associated with berceau (cradle), so you have the implication that sea (La mer and la mere - mother sound identical) was a kind of formative influence from early life and the images are child-like, suggesting a child arriving at the sea and catching impressions of all these things.   

Instead of the "clear gulfs", I'd say the sun-drenched bays would be better in English.

Voyez! is mis-translated as "let us see" or see. In that context it means "Look!  

"Regarder" didn't fit in.


Well done.
No language translates directly for poetry.

Voyez is from the verb to see.

Even in French it's use has many subtle meanings eg:

Percevoir par le sens de la vue.
Assister à, être témoin de.
Considérer avec attention, regarder.
Remarquer, juger: voyez vous-mêmes.
Fréquenter.
Acquérir de l'expérience: un homme qui a beaucoup vu.
Comprendre, s'apercevoir.
S'informer.
Imaginer, se représenter.
Voir le jour: naître.
Etre publié.
Se voir: être vu, pouvoir être vu, remarqué.
Se fréquenter.

In this case - he's really saying - be a witness to this with child like eyes.
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Reply #532 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 10:51pm
 
What about some wild rock & roll?
This is a live version of one I posted before.

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Reply #533 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 11:00pm
 
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Reply #534 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 6:20am
 


Classical Balinese gamelan music is an acquired taste, but it helps me concentrate at times.

The gamelan ensemble here is playing in a pelog  scale. This can be either pentatonic or heptatonic.
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Reply #535 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 5:29pm
 
Jethro Tull - Locomotive Breath




In the shuffling madess
of the locomotive breath,
runs the all-time loser,
headlong to his death.
He feels the piston scraping --
steam breaking on his brow --
old Charlie stole the handle and
the train won't stop going --
no way to slow down.
He sees his children jumping off
at the stations -- one by one.
His woman and his best friend --
in bed and having fun.
He's crawling down the corridor
on his hands and knees --
old Charlie stole the handle and
the train won't stop going --
no way to slow down.
He hears the silence howling --
catches angels as they fall.
And the all-time winner
has got him by the balls.
He picks up Gideons Bible --
open at page one --
old Charlie stole the handle and
the train won't stop going --
no way to slow down.

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Reply #536 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 8:22pm
 
Another one from Jethro Tull.
4,801,187  views on youtube.

Jethro Tull - Aqualung (Live)

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Reply #537 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 8:46pm
 
What about watching Mr Bean instead of music?

Mr Bean goes to the swimming pool.

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Reply #538 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 9:44pm
 
Gee wizz - I thought 2 great songs from Jethro Tull &
the best of Mr Bean would get me a few pats on the back?
I must be getting too old!
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Reply #539 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:49am
 
Never really watched much Mr Bean...
But the Tull songs are great, thanks bobby
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