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Reply #60 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 8:58am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jul 6th, 2010 at 12:00am:
Its like voting Labor or Liberal. Channel 2 or the Commercial Stations, either way its Twiddle-Dee and Twiddle-Dum ...either way its just Television and not the Internet.

If you wish to have a valid Republic, it can't exist on behalf of Channel 2 or Channels 7/9/10 ...it can't exist on behalf of Television at all.
It has to exist on behalf of the Internet (so to speak), which is all about Art.

I guess it must be the hardest path to take for Australian Politics, to suddenly represent your 'Fellow Australian', who is an Artist, rather than continue to serve 'Foreign' Political expressions.

Maybe its a PRO-RACIST act that Australian Anglo-Saxons would rather serve fellow Anglo-Saxons in other parts of the world, rather than 'politically represent' fellow Australians who are not Anglo-Saxons and do not practice politics?

Thats one thing I did like about Rudd, he believed in the United Nations as the future and not the USAnglo-Saxon Empire (and its UK partner in crime) ...no wonder he was shafted!

THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST ANGLO-SAXONS.
POLITICS IS FOR EVERY NATION AND NOT JUST THE ANGLO-SAXON EMPIRE.
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Reply #61 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 10:11am
 
Totally Muso

...and totally right (sorry to say). Wink
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Reply #62 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:33pm
 
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You are a cringing crypto-monarchist whose only suggestions are idiocy in practice (Yes, that's right... your old Queen Kate debate)...


I have plenty of suggestions. Most of them would even fit your definition of republic. You just aren't interested because I choose to make it about democracy, rather than republicanism vs monarchy. You should have been around here long enough to realise this.

The only person lacking good suggestions is you.
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Reply #63 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 8:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:33pm:
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You are a cringing crypto-monarchist whose only suggestions are idiocy in practice (Yes, that's right... your old Queen Kate debate)...


I have plenty of suggestions. Most of them would even fit your definition of republic. You just aren't interested because I choose to make it about democracy, rather than republicanism vs monarchy. You should have been around here long enough to realise this.

The only person lacking good suggestions is you.

Name the common models you could live with.
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Reply #64 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 8:44pm
 
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Reply #65 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 8:59pm
 
A form of direct democracy... OK.... So.... Long live the Republic, then!
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Reply #66 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 8:45am
 
I don't think you can beat the constitutional monarchy model for providing the best balance of stability and freedom: UK, AUstralia, Canada, Denmark, Norwat, Netherlands, Sweden.

Hard to believe but Australia has an older constititution, by a wide margin, than France or Italy or Germany or Russia. France, the inventors of the republican model, are up to their Fifth Republic in a little over 100 years.

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Reply #67 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 7:35pm
 
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I don't think you can beat the constitutional monarchy model for providing the best balance of stability and freedom


Should that be 'representativeness', rather than freedom? I don't see any direct link to freedom.
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Reply #68 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 12:14am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 7th, 2010 at 8:45am:
I don't think you can beat the constitutional monarchy model for providing the best balance of stability and freedom: UK, AUstralia, Canada, Denmark, Norwat, Netherlands, Sweden.

India is a stable (and the world's largest) democracy without the "benefit" of a foreign monarch as head of state.

The US has experienced over 200 unbroken years of stable democracy with a non-hereditary head of state.

The Irish State is at its most stable in hundreds of years as a Republic and owes no thanks for the memories of British monarchical rule.

Would Germany and Austria necessarily be stable democracies with the restoration of the Hohenzollern and Hapsburg rulers to their respective thrones? (Quite possibly it would ignite a Teutonic nationalist fervour and one of the reasons the leader of the House of Hapsburg is to this day persona-non-gratia in Austria).

Many blame Edward VII and his meddling in European affairs through his nephews and other close family members for exacerbating the political situation in Europe prior to WW1.

The stability of Australian democracy owes nothing to the rule of the Hanovers/Windsors (Saxe-Coburg-Gothas/Battenburgs).

Why would Australian democracy be diminished or destroyed by the election of a citizen head of state? Why would Canadian and New Zealand democracy be threatened by the same?

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Reply #69 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 11:40pm
 
Well firstly I would laugh (ok, I'm  Grin now) at the idea of the 'hereditary' factor - of the passage of power through, especially 'male'... a blood-line.

How #%@*ing PRIMATIVE. ("we will be ruled by William the Monkey Boy"  in his military garb in a Europe that is embracing the Medical Industry more than the Military Industry as a way to the future ...led by those military losers - the Germans Wink)

Considering the 'modern' facts that the Male contribution to the act of procreation is to choose the 'sex' of the child (Thats right Abraham and King Henry 8th - it was your fault allllllll along), incorporate a minority of genetic make-up (taking into account the ever mixing and thoroughbreeding of the Regressive and Dominant genes in this day and age. Thats right, the Red-Heads are becoming even more distinctive and two yellow parents can have a black child.) and the majority of children look akin to the mother rather than the father. The immense populations of India and China are due more to the women procreating 'more' than the men for starters.
I think the Buddhists have a good philosophy of an 'heir apparent', they choose someone 'beyond' the bloodline (the mind is not tainted by the body). Just a shame that 500,000 applications have come forth stating that their child is the next Dalai Lama.  Roll Eyes

At the most, its the Grandson that does the Father proud, not the Son.

The CuttleFish are one of the most intelligent animals going around. This is due possibly to the Cross-Dressing smaller males having a higher success rate with breeding than the larger bull males. Cross-Dressing expresses superior colouring skills and cunning - essential qualities towards the freakish intelligence of the CuttleFish evolution.

...so please, please, please. If we are going to have an Individual presence represent a large population of people in regards to all things Political. Can that person be voted in upon merit by either the people or the Political Industry itself votes in a person from outside the Industry ...that aussie battler, joe-blow (who suddenly finds himself carrying the burden of the Ring of Power  Wink Wink Wink)



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Reply #70 - Jul 10th, 2010 at 10:41am
 
They don't actually do anything at the moment, so there is no need for an extra election.

Are you suggesting we change the relationship between PM and GG to something more like the American system?
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Reply #71 - Jul 11th, 2010 at 9:31am
 
I like the idea of a Republic and all we really need to do is just transfer the duties of the GG to a President who will just be just a respected figurehead elected by two thirds of the Federal Parliament.
Our first President should be Tim Fisher  Smiley
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Reply #72 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 11:54am
 
____ wrote on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 12:03pm:
So Canada is to become a Republic, after the current Queen dies.

So should Australia

Time to start planning the model.


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Reply #73 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:11pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jul 11th, 2010 at 9:31am:
I like the idea of a Republic and all we really need to do is just transfer the duties of the GG to a President who will just be just a respected figurehead elected by two thirds of the Federal Parliament.
Our first President should be Tim Fisher  Smiley


All you need to do is convince the Australian people, who already rejected that constitutional model.

I've yet to hear a good argument from advocates of this model as to why Australia shouldn't adopt a simliar model to that used in Ireland.  In that model, nominations come from parliament and the people get to elect their president directly, from those nominations.

The Irish President is also a figure head with the same basic powers that our president would have if s/he were to take on the roles currently occupied by the Queen and Governor General.

Going back the polls with the same constitutional model as we had before is not going to get us our republic.  I think the Irish model is a good comprimise between those who want an American style directly elected president, and those who favour our elected representativees voting on our behalf.
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Reply #74 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 7:45am
 
bipedalhumanoid wrote on Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:11pm:
 In that model, nominations come from parliament and the people get to elect their president directly, from those nominations.

Or, instead of Parliament in the first instance, nominees are proposed by a Sovereign Council, comprising of (if not senior AC's) ex-GG's (later Australian ex-Presidents), the presiding head of state and the Prime Minister. Either the Sovereign Council proposes one candidate who is ratified then appointed by Parliament, or the Council proposes at least 2 candidates, ratified by Parliament then put to the people.

Personally, I prefer the former as I believe a directly elected President (where the office of President is ceremonial as opposed to executive) could be problematic in that the head of state and head of government would rightly both lay claim to a mandate from the people which could be a presage for a political showdown i.e. The President vs the Prime Minister / Parliament.
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