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Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:35pm
 
We are forced to vote for fear of cancelled licence and $500 fine, but apparently it doesn't really matter, as the Polititians themselves vote what person runs Australia as Prime Minister. Its all too common now. I think this act is WRONG, if not ILLEGAL. Where do we draw the line? Before we know it, Labor only serves half a term, before the Liberals move in. I'm sick of being forced to mandatorily vote and all for nothing. So what if Rudd sucks (they all do?), he was the Public choice (no I didn't vote for him) and he should suffer the full term along with the party who put him there for the original contention. This is bordering upon 'mental abuse'.
Anyone else open for this discussion? This 'Mutiny on the Bounty' style of Politics has got to stop (the rot)!
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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:39pm
 
you're not wrong; and you're not alone. But - you'll find pretty quickly that this forum is almost entirely full of lefties who will vehemently oppose your view.
Good luck.
Good on ya.
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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:40pm
 
This is the point of our system - we can get rid of the PM without an election. Putting too much power in the hands of one person is dangerous. Sooner or later you will elect a lunatic and want to get rid of him.

It is a good thing.
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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:42pm
 
yes. just as well they haven't been able to get rid of the vice regal system in this country. That's good for sacking out of control governments. Probably need it again one day.
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Reply #4 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:43pm
 
"We" as in the Public or "We" as in the Polititians themselves ??
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Reply #5 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:48pm
 
i think he means 'we' the public.
the consensus here seems to be that gillard and labor are going to romp it in. What you are saying, from what I can see out there in internet land, is what most people are saying, despite what newspolls are saying.
Have a look at these comments, they are usually spot on re public opinion. The vast majority of these are 'not happy':
http://www.news.com.au/national/australians-would-rather-have-a-beer-with-julia/comments-e6frfkvr-1225884626157
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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:56pm
 
Agree. Nothing against Gillard, but "we - the Public" did not put her there and if the 'Media' deems that they know how we feel then why should we all vote if the Media knows what we are thinking?
USA Polititians have to practically buy votes to give them the Right and Freedom to do what they like.
If we, the Public, are made/forced to vote, then our Political Industry must adhere to our (the Public) desires via Vote/Referendum
...this is where the RePublic debate comes into it.
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Reply #7 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:58pm
 
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Agree. Nothing against Gillard, but "we - the Public" did not put her there and if the 'Media' deems that they know how we feel then why should we all vote if the Media knows what we are thinking?


You don't ask a journalist to do it. You ask your local MP.
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Reply #8 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:03pm
 
a lot of the journos are leftist in this country. The Australian media is a political player with a two way relationship with the community. On one hand they go with what they perceive is the populist thing to say, and at the same time try to reinforce it and generate it in mirror-image so they get greater audience and establish themselves as an "authority" in the community.
I don't read, watch or listen to the Australian news media if I can help it. In respect of global matters there is much better information out there on the net. In respect of local matters, I can make up my own mind.
Good on you.
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Reply #9 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:07pm
 
see, one of the ironies in Australia, is that we have a british parliamentary system, but most of the people these days think about politics in terms of the american republican system.
They want to be able to vote directly for the president as well as their local member. It is frustrating to Australians today that they can't do that. Yes, you have to leave it to the party to decide who the "president" is going to be; and this is what happens. You get someone you didn't vote for or think was going to be in charge. P*sses a lot of people off.
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Reply #10 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:07pm
 
So FreeDiver (Yes I love to Dive too), you are saying a 'majority' of the Australian Population ...the voting population, rocked up to their local MP's and said "Drop Rudd, put in Gillard" and so the MPs, the Labor MP's (for starters) did the dirty upon a Political Leader who was strong upon an International Front and a United Nations, rather than United States one at that. A Political Leader who was a promotion of the Linguistics rather than the Spin Doctoring or Salesmanship of Politics that we have seen for many, many decades. A Political Leader who was hard upon his Staff (especially if they 'stuffed up') but soft upon us the Public. Like I said: I didn't vote Rudd in, but I can't help but think Australians are being shafted by a very rotten Political Industry that has just gone completely overboard.
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Reply #11 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:11pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:35pm:
We are forced to vote for fear of cancelled licence and $500 fine, but apparently it doesn't really matter, as the Polititians themselves vote what person runs Australia as Prime Minister. Its all too common now. I think this act is WRONG, if not ILLEGAL. Where do we draw the line? Before we know it, Labor only serves half a term, before the Liberals move in. I'm sick of being forced to mandatorily vote and all for nothing. So what if Rudd sucks (they all do?), he was the Public choice (no I didn't vote for him) and he should suffer the full term along with the party who put him there for the original contention. This is bordering upon 'mental abuse'.
Anyone else open for this discussion? This 'Mutiny on the Bounty' style of Politics has got to stop (the rot)!



This is caled the Westminster system. You do not vote for prime minister. You vote for your representatives. Your represenatives will elect their leader. The leader of the party with the majority of representatives is the PM.

It has been exactly like this for centuries.




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Reply #12 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:11pm
 
Well I think Rudd and Murdoch exhibited obvious distaste for one another as Murdoch found that Rudd would rather serve the United Nations rather than Murdochs 'precious' United States. Murdoch has obviously helped put Rudd out of the picture.
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Reply #13 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:12pm
 
Then Soren, we should just waste our precious time voting for our Local Council and leave the rest up to them ....eh?
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Reply #14 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:13pm
 
rudd was put up as a vehicle to knock over Howard. Wasn't meant to be there at the end (although he thought he would be). They're doing it again, Gillard is being put up as a vehicle to knock over Abbott.
It worked before, they're going to do it again. I wonder what their plan for Gillard is into the first term. They've got huge deficits, they're going to have to blame someone.
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