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Reply #375 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 11:36am
 
I find their unwillingness, lack of want to assimilate more troubling than the act of them wearing a burqa itself, and as much as I would like to think they themselves would take the initiative to want to assimilate into western society of their own accord, it's clear to me the real tragedy here is that some Muslims don't really want to, rather want to attract attention to their religion this and use media sensationalism like this to spool their agenda.
Banning the burqa will only result in more Muslim victim speak,  animosity, hostility, outrage which in turn only stands to advantage them, as the do-gooder left pander to their minority needs, this and continue bending over backwards to demonstrate how WE ARE NOT A RACIST NATION, by means of letting more and more into our country.

See, the more we condemn them, the more likely they are to play the reverse racism card,...as we desperately grapple about trying to prove to the world we are not racist, by means of overcompensating  in other areas, ie, immigration.

STOP-IT!

Ultimately the onus is on ourselves in terms of who we process/allow into our country and so long as we continue indiscriminately immigrating and positively reinforcing their reverse racism process/agenda in the name of "political correctness", who other than ourselves do we have to blame?

Gillards sustainable population minister needs to get serious about our existing immigration policies, our intelligence needs an overhaul, (we still haven't caught up with Europe, this and are far too laid back/easy going and ignorant for our own good.

The "Banning of the Burqa"  hype is once again being spooled by those with an agenda who wanted to allude to Australians as being a fundamentally racist and intolerant nation....it's reverse racism at it's best.
And who was it that suggested that their burqa be banned to begin with?

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Reply #376 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 12:22pm
 

france leads the way in secular democracies defending themselves.
other "liberal tolerant" countries of europe are agreeing wiht the stance france has taken.
islam and muslims have no place in a secular nation.
go back to your own islamic backward repressed countries



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BURQAS are officially banned in France after the French National Assembly passed the bill with only a single vote against it.

If approved by the Senate and Constitutional Council the law would impose a 150 euro (AUD$216) fine or a lesson in citizenship on any woman wearing the Islamic all-body veil in public.

Men caught forcing a woman to wear it, could face a one year jail sentence and pay a 30, 000 euro (AUD$43,200) fine.   

Although France has the largest Muslim community in Europe, there are believed to only be 2000 women who wear the burqa.




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Reply #377 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 12:31pm
 
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Not even close. If it did, it wouldn't have five million Muslims in it.

It's the little European countries like Austria, Hungary and Belgium (or should I say, Flanders) that are undergoing major changes. France is well behind.
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Reply #378 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 1:39pm
 
Is this the McCarthyism version II thread?

Muslims under the bed.

Substitute Australia for America,  and Islam for Communism and let's just go hunting.  Don't worry about evidence. The inherent hate in Australian society will get us there.

When all the Muslims are gone, who will be next?
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Reply #379 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 1:56pm
 
Had France nipped the decline of their existing culture and put a stop to irresponsible immigration when they had the chance, they wouldn't have been faced with churning out controversial-excessive laws like this to begin with in order to tackle their Muslim problem.

Desperate times called for desperate measures, and it wasn't until their own culture began to disappear (not at all a good look for French tourism)...when in a state of panic did they resort to drastic measures such as banning the burqa to bring about change and civil rest, given their people were outraged by their former governments in discriminant immigration policies.
Sound familiar?

Too late!  The damage is done... French- Muslims are there to stay, with or without their (eye-rape armour) aka burqas, this and will continue to breed like rabbits in warrens spreading the word of Allah throughout disadvantaged generations of French youth to come who are outraged by the overall rape of their nation so turn to a faith that promises retribution and justice. This is why Islam is so appealing to down-trods and outcasts. Why do you suppose Muslim Sheiks/muftis lurk about in prisons, recruiting indigenous Australians?
They know they are already angry with white Australians this and p8ssed off with our western-laws, so converting them is a piece of cake.
Shutting the gate after the horse has bolted is a rather punitive measure, compared to what should have been done to retain/protect their existing culture when they first realised things were getting out of hand on the immigration front over in France.
But like so many western nations, they thought they could immigrate their way through a global recession/downturn, this and possibly even thwart it with some degree of optimism...(what a joke)...  This only prolongs the inevitable, something we Australians have yet to realise.
We need to learn from others mistakes,(Particularly France and Britain).. and think to a degree, we are learning, slowly, hence some nations accuse us of being overly protectionist, and in some cases racist.
I think we are more protectionist than racist, and for good reason if  France is any indication of what irresponsible immigration and the  Islamification of a western nation can amount to.

If it's going to be done, then it has to be done now,(Stop immigrating known to be problematic groups which conflict with our existing western culture)... lets not wait until the situation gets so out of control that like France, we have to regress to passing controversial archaic laws to contend with the mess.

We need to stop being so 'correct'...'polite'...  and just accept our past mistakes for what they are so we can work towards creating meaningful policies to sustain and preserve future generations of EXISTING-Australians to come, this opposed to burdening our offspring with illegal immigrants. Angry
Better they (Illegal immigrants) cry now, than we later....
because  we will be doing just that if we continue allowing them to play the reverse racism victim card.

Someone has to make the hard decisions, and not everyone will be happy with them...but it has to be done!

Does Gillard have the balls?
Does Abbot have the balls?

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Reply #380 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 2:02pm
 
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When all the Muslims are gone, who will be next?

Redheads
Men with moustaches

Take your pick, what you say is 100% true, these xenophobes would be the offspring of Protestants who hated Catholics and Catholics who hated people who were lefthanded, all tards.
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Reply #381 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 2:10pm
 
I firmly believe Julia Gillard knew East Timor would reject her offer re- detaining refugees off-shore, just hoped they would have declined after the next election, not before.

She needs to get serious about our border security, A predominantly Christian/Catholic Timor–Leste  (East Timor) doesn't want to detain  illegal predominantly Muslim immigrants this and if they did agree to do so, would be wanting to be generously reimbursed for their trouble.

My solution.....

The minute they arrive, put them on planes and send them straight back to where they came from.

Where  are all these “refugees” coming from?

From what country are  they considered to be “refugees?”

How can they be Islamic  “refugees” from an Islamic country?

Why are they all  selecting Australia as their destination? Why not some other Islamic  country? Hmmmmm!

This is a thinly camouflaged sell-out of our country.

It really is now or never,  future generations of Australians depend so much on the smart choices we make for them today.

Lets not become another France, lets be more pragmatic, socially responsible with respects to the cohesiveness of our young western country.

Presuming you still want to call it home in another 10 years or so this is.

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Reply #382 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 2:16pm
 
Yep the reds under the bed are alive and well in loopy rightard land.
What concerns me the most are these people no matter how much it is explained to them choose to believe propaganda over fact, and we let these tards vote. Angry
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Reply #383 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 2:33pm
 
Don't hurtle towards a big Australia says PM.

Julia Gillard has urged against a "Big Australia" saying people need to Stop, take a breath and develop policies for a sustainable nation.
Source: Sun Herald,27 June 2010.

And this is why she claims to have appointed a Minister for Sustainable Population to develop policies for a sustainable Australia.

Now, what policies has this new minister brought to the table since having been appointed?

Kevin Rudd announced on 3 April 2010 that the inaugural Minister for Population would be Tony Burke. After the leadership change, Julia Gillard renamed the portfolio, yet the Minister remains the same.

All talk and no action... so where are these policies Gillard herself insisted needed to be developed?

No more campaign leaflets thanks Julia, I prefer a PM to put their money where their mouth is, not in my letterbox in the form of campaign propaganda.

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Reply #384 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 2:41pm
 
And Skippy, (cough), can you tell us why Muslim refugees embark on non-Muslim western nations?

Is it that they want to be saved from themselves?

Why not embark on some other Muslim country, does this not sound odd to you?

Smiley....

Tony Burke is Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, and now a sustainable population also.

It sounds to me as though the title "Minister for sustainable population" is nothing short of a white elephant, a mere title to satisfy the Australian public's immigration/population concerns in order to create the illusion that their current government are indeed serious about appointing someone (who already has his hands quite full ) to a half-azzed position only secondary to his more "primary" responsibilities of which is Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry.

But the appointment of a Minister for Responsible population sounds good doesn't it, especially in the lead-up to the next federal election.

You may see what our new population Minister has been getting up to on Twitter as of late.

Not much by the looks of it...not on the population front anyway.

Another Labor white elephant!



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Reply #385 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 3:34pm
 

i see few christians imose themselves upon islam countries pleading "refuge" and claiming free accommodation, food, net access, medical ....................

personally, they can bugger off
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Reply #386 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 4:38pm
 

mozzaok wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:19am:
Equitist wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 8:30am:
Only about 2,000 out of around 5,000,000 Muslims out of a population of approx. 65,000,000, eh!?

Hmmnnn....clearly, in the context of the greatest global financial turmoil of our lifetimes, the massive investment of lawmaking time and resources into the discriminatory banning of the head-dress of 2,000 women (for the sake of vilifying a significant minority group of 5,000,000) was worth the escalation of domestic social unrest and international tensions, then!?

Bigoted fools!



Bigoted fools!


That is a major concern to me, that so many who raise the issue of the the burqa are actual, bigoted fools.

I may feel uncomfortable finding myself in such company, and believe me when I say that just seeing some of the people who I agree with on this issue makes me wish I felt differently about it, because I despise them as ignorant, racist, boors, but at the end of the day, the questions remain, should we allow people to wear masks in public because they claim it as a personal, cultural, or religious imperative?

I always come to the same answer, no, it is not reasonable for these people to go about masked in public for such petty reasons.

The issue of wearing apparel as an outward display of your religious convictions is altogether a separate question, and one I have mixed feelings about.
I do see a potential for problems in regard to cultural sensitivities, but I have no issue with adults choosing whatever dress they feel is appropriate, within the bounds of common decency.

So while I may not be the bigot you had in mind, the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of average people and the small minority of bigots, happen to agree that wearing masks in public is not what we want in our society.

So who is telling us we do not have the right to think that way?


I hear you Moz - and I share most of your sentiments...

Whether or not I personally support the wearing of the Burqa (which BTW I don't), I am extremely disturbed by the nature and extent of the efforts being made to ban it...

'We Westerners' need to address not only the domestic racist undercurrents but also take a long, hard and honest look at the toxic symptoms that 'we' have created around the world, in 'our' reckless promotion of 'globalisation' - and then take an appropriate degree of responsibility for remedying the damage...

Yer, I know: far more easily said than done...but do something positive 'we' must - and pronto!



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Reply #387 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 4:46pm
 

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 3:34pm:
i see few christians imose themselves upon islam countries pleading "refuge" and claiming free accommodation, food, net access, medical ....................

personally, they can bugger off


The sooner that 'we Westerners' acknowledge international refugee issues as mere symptoms of more serious global socio-economic ills - and start to take positive preventative steps to address same at the source/s - the sooner that there will be fewer unwanted arrivals to stress over...


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Reply #388 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:25pm
 
And as soon as our free-loaders start being tugged back out to sea well away from our Australian boarders, you will realise that charity truly does  begin at home, this and you should work towards building your own nations/empires, this opposed to sapping off and dismantling other peoples.

Smiley...   Go have a cry Dorothy, toto misses you.

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Reply #389 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:34pm
 
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The sooner that 'we Westerners' acknowledge international refugee issues as mere symptoms of more serious global socio-economic ills - and start to take positive preventative steps to address same at the source/s - the sooner that there will be fewer unwanted arrivals to stress over


Yes. And it'd be nice if we hurried. More than 7 million people may face starvation over the next couple of months in Niger. There's something seriously wrong with the world when some of its citizens have a surplus of bullsh1t while the rest don't have even the most basic of necessities.
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