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Reply #360 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 11:11pm
 

I know that you know, where I'm coming from, Soren...

War does NOT beget genuine peace!

Vilification does NOT beget harmony!
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Reply #361 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 11:13pm
 
I see fault in religion, all religion in fact, given  it's been the cause of more wars than anything else throughout history.

Either way...

I might give tonight's discussion a miss.

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Reply #362 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 11:14pm
 
This is a Muslim propaganda site, nothing more....

It's a joke!


Smiley  ta ta
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Reply #363 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 11:54pm
 

mellie wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 11:14pm:
This is a Muslim propaganda site, nothing more....

It's a joke!


Smiley  ta ta



If that's NOT a joke, then all other evidence notwithstanding, I'd suggest that you have some serious comprehension and/or perception issues...

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Reply #364 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:01am
 
Yay France, go you good things.

France is home to Europe’s largest Muslim minority, with about 5 million Muslims, but it is thought that only about 2,000 women wear the full-length veil.

The bill, which critics say stigmatizes immigrants, bans people “from wearing, in a public place, garments designed to cover the face”.

Offenders would be fined 150 euros ($189) or required to take part in a citizenship class.

Forcing someone to cover their face would be punishable by a one-year prison sentence and a 30,000 euro fine. The law does not apply if the face is covered for carnivals or artistic events.

In the vote, 335 members of parliament approved the ban, with just one against. Opposition socialist and Green lawmakers abstained.


ONE vote against it! Well that is a pretty resounding victory for common sense, and common decency I would say.

Do you think that with 5 million muslims living in France, they may have a desire to create a society in which they can all get along in, or are they just persecuting the muslim population for fun?

The ratbag extremist element deserves no succour from any western society, and bleeding hearts who provide such are bloody fools.

Their country, their standards, "FAIR" enough.
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Reply #365 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 8:30am
 

Only about 2,000 out of around 5,000,000 Muslims out of a population of approx. 65,000,000, eh!?

Hmmnnn....clearly, in the context of the greatest global financial turmoil of our lifetimes, the massive investment of lawmaking time and resources into the discriminatory banning of the head-dress of 2,000 women (for the sake of vilifying a significant minority group of 5,000,000) was worth the escalation of domestic social unrest and international tensions, then!?

Bigoted fools!

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Reply #366 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 9:03am
 
Today's Poll2 221 votes since Jul 11 2010

Should Australia ban the burqa?
Yes 88% 1947 votes
No 12% 274 votes

http://au.news.yahoo.com/polls/popup/-/poll_id/55404



This is what happens when useful idiots keep saying to ordinary people that they are bigots for noticing the antagonism expressed by face covering.

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Reply #367 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 9:12am
 
Alright! I'm sure banning the Burqa is going to induce those 5 million or so Muslim citizens to integrate and become happy little Frenchmen in no time at all. The French should let in another seven or so million for good measure; a few million Africans for additional enrichment may be required as well. I would suggest African Muslims, but they are the two in one conditioner and shampoo of the diversity world. To get the maximum amount of shine from your daily diversity routine you need to apply both separately.
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Reply #368 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 9:33am
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 8:30am:
Only about 2,000 out of around 5,000,000 Muslims out of a population of approx. 65,000,000, eh!?

Hmmnnn....clearly, in the context of the greatest global financial turmoil of our lifetimes, the massive investment of lawmaking time and resources into the discriminatory banning of the head-dress of 2,000 women (for the sake of vilifying a significant minority group of 5,000,000) was worth the escalation of domestic social unrest and international tensions, then!?

Bigoted fools!




I always remember an ammonia tanker incident in Dakar, Senegal. The French army decided to intervene. "We blow it up." they decided.

The result ? 129 dead and about 1100 injured.

Similar ammonia tanker incident in Murarrie, a suburb of Brisbane. They decided to allow it to gas off over several days. The result? No fatalities and no injuries.

That's just one example. What is it about the French and common sense ?
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Reply #369 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 9:48am
 
muso wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 9:33am:
Equitist wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 8:30am:
Only about 2,000 out of around 5,000,000 Muslims out of a population of approx. 65,000,000, eh!?

Hmmnnn....clearly, in the context of the greatest global financial turmoil of our lifetimes, the massive investment of lawmaking time and resources into the discriminatory banning of the head-dress of 2,000 women (for the sake of vilifying a significant minority group of 5,000,000) was worth the escalation of domestic social unrest and international tensions, then!?

Bigoted fools!




I always remember an ammonia tanker incident in Dakar, Senegal. The French army decided to intervene. "We blow it up." they decided.

The result ? 129 dead and about 1100 injured.

Similar ammonia tanker incident in Murarrie, a suburb of Brisbane. They decided to allow it to gas off over several days. The result? No fatalities and no injuries.

That's just one example. What is it about the French and common sense ?  



There's no Gloire in common sense, you English types. Boil your bottoms. And no, there isn't someone else you can talk to...


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Reply #370 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:12am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 10:36pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 10:34pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 9:07pm:
[quote]I mean the particular, actual person and hi/her rights when confronted by a masked woman in a shop or office?


I am not aware of anything that might happen to their rights. Unless the burqa wearer punches them, or forcibly removes their hat.

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What about the dignity of that person?


What about it? You are not forced to lose your dignity by embarassing yourself over the issue. That is your choice.


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I am not the only one who would be offended if I were adressed by a person who chooses to be covered when talking to me.


It is your right to get wound up over any triviality you choose. Let's hope no-one tries to take that right from you.




Jack Straw said he wasn't comfortable when fully veiled women came to his electoral office. Look what happened:

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/photos/women-stoning/images/Muslim%20Women.jpg




This merely shows they have the right to be stupid as well.
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Reply #371 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:19am
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 8:30am:
Only about 2,000 out of around 5,000,000 Muslims out of a population of approx. 65,000,000, eh!?

Hmmnnn....clearly, in the context of the greatest global financial turmoil of our lifetimes, the massive investment of lawmaking time and resources into the discriminatory banning of the head-dress of 2,000 women (for the sake of vilifying a significant minority group of 5,000,000) was worth the escalation of domestic social unrest and international tensions, then!?

Bigoted fools!



Bigoted fools!


That is a major concern to me, that so many who raise the issue of the the burqa are actual, bigoted fools.

I may feel uncomfortable finding myself in such company, and believe me when I say that just seeing some of the people who I agree with on this issue makes me wish I felt differently about it, because I despise them as ignorant, racist, boors, but at the end of the day, the questions remain, should we allow people to wear masks in public because they claim it as a personal, cultural, or religious imperative?

I always come to the same answer, no, it is not reasonable for these people to go about masked in public for such petty reasons.

The issue of wearing apparel as an outward display of your religious convictions is altogether a separate question, and one I have mixed feelings about.
I do see a potential for problems in regard to cultural sensitivities, but I have no issue with adults choosing whatever dress they feel is appropriate, within the bounds of common decency.

So while I may not be the bigot you had in mind, the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of average people and the small minority of bigots, happen to agree that wearing masks in public is not what we want in our society.

So who is telling us we do not have the right to think that way?
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Reply #372 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:47am
 
mozzaok wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:19am:
That is a major concern to me, that so many who raise the issue of the the burqa are actual, bigoted fools.

I may feel uncomfortable finding myself in such company, and believe me when I say that just seeing some of the people who I agree with on this issue makes me wish I felt differently about it, because I despise them as ignorant, racist, boors, but at the end of the day, the questions remain, should we allow people to wear masks in public because they claim it as a personal, cultural, or religious imperative?



Search your soul Mozzaok  Grin and tell me that you don't have a fair dinkum bigoted prejuduce against religions.  Grin Grin

Today I've decided to be a Sufi.  Shocked
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Reply #373 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:53am
 
Does a venomous, searing hatred count as bigoted? Grin
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Reply #374 - Jul 14th, 2010 at 11:06am
 
mozzaok wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 10:53am:
Does a venomous, searing hatred count as bigoted? Grin


That's the devil in you talkin' bo'.  Wink
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