there are many of those kits on interne. Of any kind

paaddict wrote on Jul 16^th, 2010 at 1:01am:


- and like everything, some are better value for money than others. I know. I authorised the purchase of some a week ago.

Amadd wrote on Jul 16^th, 2010 at 8:03am:


On the wrong track for what? It's not the result that counts. It's the deterrent value.

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Now you've got me totally confused. I thought you were Indonesian. Amadd is a common name over there.

By the way, I really don't give a damn as long as you're not piloting the flight I'm on next week 'high' over the Great Australian Bight. I'm all for personal choice.

I also think that employers should be able to screen people in high risk jobs, and that those people in high risk jobs should accept the consequences of their choice of employment.

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You gave it in one.
That's my opinion. It's my opinion that the "deterrent" value is an oxymoron when you're speaking to people who are supposed to be of equal value.
That's fine when you're talking about teaching your dog, but your dog doesn't vote in a democracy. People don't get taught lessons by other inexperienced people, they experience themselves. They get educated and they realise.
So far, you have brought nothing to the education table. You haven't provided any facts at all as to why drug testing for unspecific drugs at unspecific and undisclosed levels will educate anybody at all.
You just want to teach people, like you would teach a dog to do a backflip without any rhyme or reason except that they just may, just might, get a bikkie at the end of it if they perform without questioning.

Why don't you just send me the bible Muso? That has all the answers doesn't it?
Does it explain to you how to rationally argue with your wife so that you you will be completely stress free when it comes time to work for the man?
Guess what? The man hasn't worked out how to procure a stress free argument with his wife either. He just grabs another money grabbing mistress.
More likely, "the man" will be out to swingers parties and cheating on his wife and mistresses with some obnoxious non-being just like that Rockefeller creep was.
Don't you get it yet?
The good people try. The assholes try and most often succeed to get the ordinary good people to do what they cannot. And they never had any  intention of trying to do what they teach.
If it drives you to drugs, then more fool you. At least I am making a choice of which I know I can handle in drugs to prove those frikin' assholes wrong. Just say YES

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Mixed feelings there.
You let the other person win the argument for unknown results, but they educate themselves as you were not able to do in order for them to see the truth.

It's important to know how your competitor thinks in order to win. But isn't a marriage supposed to be a partnership? Obviously not.

Seems to me that it's nothing more than a competition. Who can't get that by playing checkers online? It's essentially worthless.

I'm just wondering what you have that is so much better than Rockefeller cheating on his mistresse's mistress to his wife.

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Are you saying that you've never succeeded in anything? I very much doubt that that is true.
I think that what you are talking about is predetermining expected results without actually understanding the mechanics of the mind - if there is such a thing as mechanics of the mind.

I take on board your suggestion that relating to people is key. I have a bad habit of spewing stuff that is only relative to certain groups within my own personal experience and understanding where nobody else would have any hope of understanding what I'm talking about.
Please disregard that comment about "Hard drugs is the answer", because that was just a piece of graffiti around my area that became a running joke. Of course I would in no way condone the use of hard drugs as being an answer to anything. It was just a cynical and flippant quote often used around my area because that piece of graffiti that said "Hard drugs is the answer" caught the attention of everybody (kids at the time) and was seen as being both humerous and disturbing.
If you failed at something, a passing comment might go something like, "Oh well, there's always hard drugs". It usually went without explaining what that comment meant and it usually brought about a lot of laughs.
Nobody talked much about seeing that piece of graffiti, but it caught the attention of practically everybody. In other words, it meant, "Well what's the alternative, to give up trying?" Hard drugs is not an option.

I know that I often spew a lot of garbage and then I pick and choose what may mean something to me, the rest I then disregard. It's an abuse of the forum and people in general to use it in that way.  
I suppose I'm being just as sinister, and I'm doing exactly the same thing as the authorities that I despise there.

I can't really ever see myself understanding my own mind, let alone anybody else's. Predicting actions may be the best that I could ever hope for or ever desire in that regard.
A quiet faith in God isn't such a bad generic answer for this lifetime IMO.

To make a little stand against what I think is wrong isn't such a bad thing IMO. I'm pretty confident that I'm not hurting myself or anybody else by doing so. If I'm wrong, then it wouldn't be the first time or the last. To be proven wrong, I will need to physically bugger up as a direct result of the soft drugs that I am using. I can't really see that happening. So far, I've been more competent and caring than what I'd usually expect of myself. Go figure.ii

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That makes some sense to me.
To be quite honest, I'm not really hard wired to do drugs on anything more than a very occassional basis, if at all.
What I am hard wired for is to be a stubborn mule.

Using your analogy of "general traffic flow", I can only see chaos resulting from the denial of rights to decide on a personal route.

Red flags, roadblocks and signs pointing to cliff-edges will predictably result in more people stopping in the middle of the street and doing U-turns, further aggravating the traffic flow problem.

Maybe your personal God says to you that the signs lead to a utopia, but mine says that they lead to a cliff edge.
Humanity already has been there and done that in countless societies throughout history. The results have always been very predictable.i