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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Note to FD Reply #30 - May 12^th, 2010 at 2:19pm I guess that is one way of putting it. Islam does not allow much wiggle room for intepretation, except when it comes to justifying extreme violence, in that regard they can be considered as "writing the book", on religious justifications for killing your neighbour. (or family member who dishonours you, or islam)
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Note to FD Reply #31 - May 12^th, 2010 at 5:08pm Ok, you're right. The topic in my name.
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Reply #32 - May 12^th, 2010 at 9:33pm

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Why hand it over to FD?

hand what over?

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No, it's capitulation.

So Helian, you think I should capitulate to Amadd to show that I am not a capitulator?

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These actions would be highly illegal in our country. So that's what I mean by from a "legal standpoint".

Can you explain how it answers my question?

--- From what stance is it not censorship?

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I see now that you are allowing Abu to have his little Islam and you are agreeing to censorships which you probably don't personally agree with.

I support the mods of the member run boards to run them as they see fit. If I started dictating to them what they can and cannot delete, it would defeat the purpose opf having them.

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And you will not censor him from censoring because that would be over-censoring.

So now you agree it would be censorship?

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As long as I'm clear on the rules and your standpoint in regards to censorship, then I have no reason to debate a futile argument any further.

I will set a minimum standard for all the boards, but the mods of the member run boards can be as strict as they want.

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It's nip it in the bud now, or be doomed to forever be pandering to increasingly illogical demands.

False dichotmoy.

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A reasonable commitment to free speech as accepted by this country should be mandatory.

Mandatory for what, owning a website? And how would you enforce this committment to free speech? Via censorship?
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Banning from boards should only occur after agreement with a "senior" moderator.

I just promoted Abu to the position of Senior moderator. Happy now?

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And isn't that the antithesis of what boards like this should be about?

I think we learn a lot more this way.

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I am not aware of any members run boards on Islamic forums by atheist free-speechers.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

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The point was that I would've prefered the topic be removed than to have it put into somebody else's name.
By taking ownership of the topic, FD is interfering.
The initial post (being a copy/paste) is still in my name and all further comments of which I'd spent a bit of time writing, have been deleted. The topic is now "by Freediver", not Amadd.
Would it be OK with you if Abu had put the topic in your name?

I split and splice topics all the time. I thought the problem was cenorship. I don't think anything has been falsely attributed to me.

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Without a bit of a dummy spit

Good to see you are keeping it in perspective.

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Re: Note to FD
Reply #33 - May 12^th, 2010 at 10:05pm

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 9:33pm:

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No, it's capitulation.

So Helian, you think I should capitulate to Amadd to show that I am not a capitulator?

I think you should stand up for the principle of reasonable free speech and resist complacency and schadenfreude. The upshot of which is the same as the cowardice newspaper editors display when they capitulate to certain threats. Freedoms are only meaningful if one is prepared to defend them.

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Re: Note to FD
Reply #34 - May 12^th, 2010 at 10:08pm

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 9:33pm:

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No, it's capitulation.

So Helian, you think I should capitulate to Amadd to show that I am not a capitulator?

I think you don't give a sh!t because it doesn't affect you.

Like Abu, you will only react when your own sense of freedom is threatened.

I think you should stand up for the principle of reasonable free speech and resist complacency and schadenfreude. The upshot of which is the same as the cowardice newspaper editors display when they capitulate to certain threats. Freedoms are only meaningful if one is prepared to defend them.

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Note to FD Reply #35 - May 12^th, 2010 at 10:14pm In the member-run boards, did the moderators give money to Freediver so that the forums could be created and they could be moderators? I've only been here a year and I still don't get all of it.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Note to FD Reply #36 - May 13^th, 2010 at 6:16am aikmann4 wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 10:14pm: In the member-run boards, did the moderators give money to Freediver so that the forums could be created and they could be moderators? I've only been here a year and I still don't get all of it. Don't think so... I was being facetious.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42462 Gender:	Re: Note to FD Reply #37 - May 13^th, 2010 at 8:57am imperium - no, FB gave some people their own bds to mod if there was a great enough interest in that area.
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Re: Note to FD
Reply #38 - May 13^th, 2010 at 1:21pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 13^th, 2010 at 6:16am:

aikmann4 wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 10:14pm:

In the member-run boards, did the moderators give money to Freediver so that the forums could be created and they could be moderators?

I've only been here a year and I still don't get all of it.

Don't think so... I was being facetious.

I used to post on a message-board that had "Member Run Forums" where people gave the administrator like $40 and he would give them their own forum and make them moderator of it.

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Reply #39 - May 13^th, 2010 at 5:23pm

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So Helian, you think I should capitulate to Amadd to show that I am not a capitulator?

It wasn't a demand FD, it was a request.
Fair enough, the topic shouldn't be removed. Other people had spent time posting their comments there as did I.
However, I do think that it's a neccessity to highlight the fact that the discussion may be distorted due to gagging and censoring by the moderator, or in this case, the dictator.

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Reply #40 - May 13^th, 2010 at 8:09pm

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I think you should stand up for the principle of reasonable free speech

Byu deleting a thread? You still have not explained how deleting protects free speech.

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I think you don't give a sh!t because it doesn't affect you.

Yes it does. I get people asking me lots of silly questions.

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Like Abu, you will only react when your own sense of freedom is threatened.

Or Abu's.

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In the member-run boards, did the moderators give money to Freediver so that the forums could be created and they could be moderators?

No, but I wouldn't complain if they did. There is a donation button at the bottom of the screen.

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Fair enough, the topic shouldn't be removed.

Thanks Amadd.

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Reply #41 - May 13^th, 2010 at 8:22pm

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2010 at 8:09pm:

Byu deleting a thread? You still have not explained how deleting protects free speech.

By removing a skewed and misleading thread.

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2010 at 8:09pm:

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I think you don't give a sh!t because it doesn't affect you.

Yes it does. I get people asking me lots of silly questions.

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freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2010 at 8:09pm:

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Like Abu, you will only react when your own sense of freedom is threatened.

Or Abu's.

Abu's what? Freedom to censor?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53458 At my desk.	Re: Note to FD Reply #42 - May 13^th, 2010 at 8:31pm Quote: By removing a skewed and misleading thread. That doesn't explain how it would protect free speech. Doesn't free speech protect the right to skew and mislead? Are you going to sit in judgement and decide which speech should be allowed and which must be deleted in case people get the wrong idea?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Note to FD Reply #43 - May 13^th, 2010 at 8:36pm freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2010 at 8:31pm: Quote: By removing a skewed and misleading thread. That doesn't explain how it would protect free speech. Doesn't free speech protect the right to skew and mislead? Orwell would be proud laughing.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53458 At my desk.	Re: Note to FD Reply #44 - May 13^th, 2010 at 9:41pm Are you going to sit in judgement and decide which speech should be allowed and which must be deleted in case people get the wrong idea? In the name of free speech?
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