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Apr 22nd, 2010 at 9:39pm
 
Is this forbidden in Islam?

http://www.warisboring.com/?p=467

“They Burn Themselves”

    Amine … is 16 years old. She was forced to marry at the age of 14 but has many problems with her husband and his family. She doused herself with oil and set herself on fire to protest her unwanted marriage but her father says that she must return to her husband because there is no such thing as divorce in their family. She has burns over 33% of her body. She has vowed to kill herself if forced to go back.

So reports WIB-pal Anne Holmes, aka Vigilante Journalist, from Herat, Afghanistan:

    Many young Afghan girls are forced to marry men who are much older than them. Often they suffer physical, sexual and psychological abuses at the hands of their husbands and/or his family. These young women are also often forced into prostitution by their husbands but rarely admit this publicly because it is too shameful in Afghan society. Setting themselves on fire is a common form of protest or suicide, but there are virtually no social services in place to help these young women out of their situations and accord them their proper rights. Most of them are forced to go back to their unwanted husbands and it is unclear what their fate is thereafter.

It’s not just an Afghan problem. Self-immolation is all too common in many Islamic cultures. I reported on the tragic phenomenon from Iraqi Kurdistan last year for The Village Voice:

    “Here in Kurdistan, there is a lot of violence against Kurdish women,” [radio host Sirwa] Ali says in delicate English. She’s an Iranian Kurd by birth, a swimmer by training, and superbly educated by Iraqi standards, lending a quiet confidence to her words. Asked who is perpetrating this violence, she doesn’t hesitate: “Men, of course. Husbands, brothers, fathers, managers. All men.”

    Abuse drives many Kurdish women to suicide, says Ali. “Here in Kurdistan, most women, when they want to kill themselves, they burn themselves. I don’t know why.”

    Regional assemblywoman Vian Dizyee does. She says that in a society where women have few resources at their disposal, sophisticated methods of suicide are impossible. So women self-immolate using household items like cooking fuel and matches.
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Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 1:25pm
 
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Is this forbidden in Islam?


Of course.

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her father says that she must return to her husband because there is no such thing as divorce in their family.


As is this.

The Kurds are a bit of a strange people. They follow some pretty weird things, and not all of them are Muslims. There's many of them who follow some strange syncretic religious beliefs that meld bits of Islam with bits of other religions and ancient Kurdish tribal/cultural practices.

Either way, if a Christian did something like this, I very much doubt you'd even think twice if it's part of Christianity. Why can't you just accept there's some Muslims in the world who may well do stuff that Islam just doesn't sanction? Is it such an impossible concept to accept?
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Reply #2 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 8:20pm
 
Is there any specific punishment for it?
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Reply #3 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 8:35pm
 
For not allowing the divorce or for burning themselves?

As far as I know there's no punishment for either in the Quran, though there may be in hadith. In Surah an-Nisa there's a verse forbidding suicide.
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Reply #4 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 10:03pm
 
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For not allowing the divorce or for burning themselves?


Annie just ignore fd's question. When he writes "Is there any specific punishment for it" it usually means he's about to take the incident and add it to his pathetic little anti-Islamic wiki twisting it to something along the lines of "And when the brutal Islamic ideology finds a poor little oppressed girl who attempted suicide to escape a violent and torturous forced marriage to a man 4 times her age, they then further torture her with <insert your answer here> punishment".
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Reply #5 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 10:11pm
 
Well, do they?
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Reply #6 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 10:59am
 
Self harm and suicides occur in all societies, Islam is not unique with these sorts of tragedies.
The abuse of women and children and the subsequent cycle of self harm and suicides happens on a massive scale every day in every country across the world and it does not help any of the victims to demonise  one culture, country or religion while ignoring the facts.
These victims are Muslim, Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, Agnostics, Hindus and every other religion, race and culture we have on the Earth.
The sooner the focus is put back on to all of the most vulnerable in our society and these issues are taken off the table as just an excuse to "bash" a Muslim the better off all the victims of abuse from all the corners of the globe will be.
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Reply #7 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:46pm
 
So you think we should refrain from criticising ideologies that encourage the oppression of women in order to help the oppressed women of the world?
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Reply #8 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:46pm:
So you think we should refrain from criticising ideologies that encourage the oppression of women in order to help the oppressed women of the world?


Why don't you start by tackling the dishes and stand up for an opressed lady next time you're on the bus.
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Reply #9 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:58pm
 
So we should do everything we can to protect women, except criticise Islam?
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Reply #10 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 2:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:58pm:
So we should do everything we can to protect women, except criticise Islam?


Well, I'm unsure how criticisim Islam is going to "protect" anyone.
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Reply #11 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 6:56pm
 
What do you do when you see something you object to? Throw a rock?
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Reply #12 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:37pm
 
Fd,

You've yet to provide any example in this thread of Islam oppressing women. Therefore using this unfortunate event as a springboard to attack Islam is just not logical at all.

I'm not surprised you'd try it, I am surprised you're still going on about it though.
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Reply #13 - Jun 30th, 2010 at 7:07pm
 
I wasn't the one who changed the topic Abu.

Islam is a strong barrier to the freedom of these women and is mentioned in the opening post. Do you need an example of Islam leaping from the pages of the Koran and beating a woman with a soggy miswak?
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