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Reply #240 - May 14^th, 2010 at 8:15pm

Funny how atheists find meaning in everything so easily, considering everything is just blind and purposeless evolutionary necessity.
Funny how they speak as if they were right and not just puppets of blind and inevitabvle evolution?

But atheists can't help themselves to always speak as if they were right, not just mouthing evolutionary inevitabilities. Now they speak as if they had personalities but it's just all evolutionary necessity, really. you can't offend an atheist, really, because he knows that it';s just all blind, impesronal scientific necessity, whatever happens. You can't offend them, they don't take such things personally. You can call them sh!ts, they can call you sh!ts - it's all evolution, innit.

Atheists speak as if they had no metaphysical assumptions, not to say faith (strictly as evolutionary necessity, of course, like all other cases of faith.)

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Reply #241 - May 14^th, 2010 at 8:19pm

muso wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:12pm:

'Lie' is a bit harsh, especially in Hinduism. Even most moderate Christian religions are culturally based rather than belief based. Besides, what about the comfortable lies about the stockmarket, the value of diamonds, and the arts ? (that's a huge area to cover) Then there are commercial lies - most women believe that if a skin product or a cosmetic is not expensive, then it's no good.

True... The love of money, the pursuit of fading youth both manifest as quasi-religious mania.

Using the accelerator as a brake... the "wisdom" of buying your way out of debt... Now there's quasi-religious delirium right there!

muso wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:12pm:

Deception is an intrinsic part of our make-up. We can't really survive as a civilisation without deception.

So sad, so true. Only works while we believe it, but...

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Remember Jerry... It's not a lie, if you believe it

The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves if we are hoodwinked.

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Reply #242 - May 14^th, 2010 at 8:19pm

OK, if so many religions were not so choc 'a' block full of "stupid evil bastards" like those featured in this you tube video, I could accept your benign interpretation muso, but the simple fact is they are a malignant bunch of liars who love nothing better than deceiving and brainwashing kids, so they can grow up to further propagate their lies.

I really, really, do not like these people, I particularly dislike how they target children, it is f'in evil.

http://stupidevilbastard.com/2010/05/get-em-when-theyre-young/

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Reply #243 - May 14^th, 2010 at 8:24pm

mozzaok wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:19pm:

OK, if so many religions were not so choc 'a' block full of "stupid evil bastards" like those featured in this you tube video, I could accept your benign interpretation muso, but the simple fact is they are a malignant bunch of liars who love nothing better than deceiving and brainwashing kids, so they can grow up to further propagate their lies.

I really, really, do not like these people, I particularly dislike how they target children, it is f'in evil.

http://stupidevilbastard.com/2010/05/get-em-when-theyre-young/

That's a very small minority of religious people. Have you considered that most religious people would find that idiot offensive too?

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Reply #245 - May 14^th, 2010 at 8:39pm

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:37pm:

The funny thing is, Mozz, that you have only religious grounds on which to condemn religion. Atheism is not independent of religion but derivative of it and so its ethical posturings are derivative, too. Yours is a fire and brimstone atheism, to coin a phrase.

That's the trouble with you god-addled... You see god in everything.

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Reply #246 - May 14^th, 2010 at 8:51pm

mozzaok wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:19pm:

OK, if so many religions were not so choc 'a' block full of "stupid evil bastards" like those featured in this you tube video, I could accept your benign interpretation muso, but the simple fact is they are a malignant bunch of liars who love nothing better than deceiving and brainwashing kids, so they can grow up to further propagate their lies.

I really, really, do not like these people, I particularly dislike how they target children, it is f'in evil.

http://stupidevilbastard.com/2010/05/get-em-when-theyre-young/

What makes it even more twisted is that those two "preachers" don't believe their own sh!t either... I'd bet my house on it.

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Reply #247 - May 14^th, 2010 at 8:52pm

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That's a very small minority of religious people. Have you considered that most religious people would find that idiot offensive too?

I really wish you were not totally wrong on that point muso, I sincerely do.
Unfortunately you have over 50 million americans, at the very least, who would think that guy is not a stupid evil bastard, but a great and honourable man, doing god's work.

More than 1 in 4 americans believe they will personally live to see jesus return to earth, but of course they will be physically floating up to heaven, as part of the rapture, so their view may be partially obscured by clouds.

Most of these people are not sick evil bastards, but they sure believe sick poo.

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Reply #248 - May 14^th, 2010 at 8:57pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:37pm:

The funny thing is, Mozz, that you have only religious grounds on which to condemn religion. Atheism is not independent of religion but derivative of it and so its ethical posturings are derivative, too. Yours is a fire and brimstone atheism, to coin a phrase.

That's the trouble with you god-addled... You see god in everything.

Evolutionary inevitability, isn't it?

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Reply #249 - May 14^th, 2010 at 9:00pm

mozzaok wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:52pm:

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That's a very small minority of religious people. Have you considered that most religious people would find that idiot offensive too?

I really wish you were not totally wrong on that point muso, I sincerely do.
Unfortunately you have over 50 million americans, at the very least, who would think that guy is not a stupid evil bastard, but a great and honourable man, doing god's work.

More than 1 in 4 americans believe they will personally live to see jesus return to earth, but of course they will be physically floating up to heaven, as part of the rapture, so their view may be partially obscured by clouds.

Most of these people are not sick evil bastards, but they sure believe sick poo.

I'm glad I don't live in America.

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Reply #250 - May 14^th, 2010 at 9:01pm

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:37pm:

The funny thing is, Mozz, that you have only religious grounds on which to condemn religion. Atheism is not independent of religion but derivative of it and so its ethical posturings are derivative, too. Yours is a fire and brimstone atheism, to coin a phrase.

That's the trouble with you god-addled... You see god in everything.

Evolutionary inevitability, isn't it?

Fear of death.

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Reply #251 - May 14^th, 2010 at 9:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 9:01pm:

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 8:37pm:

The funny thing is, Mozz, that you have only religious grounds on which to condemn religion. Atheism is not independent of religion but derivative of it and so its ethical posturings are derivative, too. Yours is a fire and brimstone atheism, to coin a phrase.

That's the trouble with you god-addled... You see god in everything.

Evolutionary inevitability, isn't it?

Fear of death.

Don't be afraid. Death doesn't mean anything, just like life doesn't mean anything. Everything is like everything else. You are meaningless, dead or alive. You only have the illusion of being right, for some unfathomable evolutionary reason.

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Reply #252 - May 14^th, 2010 at 9:23pm

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 9:18pm:

Don't be afraid.

For the Lord is with thee?

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 9:18pm:

Death doesn't mean anything, just like life doesn't mean anything. Everything is like everything else. You are meaningless, dead or alive.

The beginning of wisdom...

How does it go... From the Ash Wednesday liturgy... "Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return"... See even the Catholic Fathers knew we were destined for oblivion.

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 9:18pm:

You only have the illusion of being right, for some unfathomable evolutionary reason.

And you have the illusion of being certain... Norty, norty... The craving for certainty is why we invented gods.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Richard Dawkins in Oz Reply #253 - May 14^th, 2010 at 9:52pm Yeah, blow me down wiv a fevver - I look for reasons rather than unreasons - call me peculiar.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Richard Dawkins in Oz Reply #254 - May 14^th, 2010 at 10:07pm Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2010 at 9:52pm: Yeah, blow me down wiv a fevver - I look for reasons rather than unreasons - call me peculiar. You look for certainty rather the certainty of uncertainty... Call it ironic...
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