Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Another fusion barrier broken (Read 3259 times)
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53190
At my desk.
Another fusion barrier broken
Jan 29th, 2010 at 9:34pm
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8485669.stm

Laser fusion test results raise energy hopes

A major hurdle to producing fusion energy using lasers has been swept aside, results in a new report show.

The controlled fusion of atoms - creating conditions like those in our Sun - has long been touted as a possible revolutionary energy source.

However, there have been doubts about the use of powerful lasers for fusion energy because the "plasma" they create could interrupt the fusion.

An article in Science showed the plasma is far less of a problem than expected.

The report is based on the first experiments from the National Ignition Facility (Nif) in the US that used all 192 of its laser beams.

Along the way, the experiments smashed the record for the highest energy from a laser - by a factor of 20.

Star power

Construction of the National Ignition Facility began at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in 1997, and was formally completed in May 2009.

The goal, as its name implies, is to harness the power of the largest laser ever built to start "ignition" - effectively a carefully controlled thermonuclear explosion.
     
It is markedly different from current nuclear power, which operates through splitting atoms - fission - rather than squashing them together in fusion.

Proving that such a lab-based fusion reaction can release more energy than is required to start it - rising above the so-called breakeven point - could herald a new era in large-scale energy production.

In the approach Nif takes, called inertial confinement fusion, the target is a centimetre-scale cylinder of gold called a hohlraum.

It contains a tiny pellet of fuel made from an isotope of hydrogen called deuterium.

During 30 years of the laser fusion debate, one significant potential hurdle to the process has been the "plasma" that the lasers will create in the hohlraum.

The fear has been that the plasma, a roiling soup of charged particles, would interrupt the target's ability to absorb the lasers' energy and funnel it uniformly into the fuel, compressing it and causing ignition.

Siegfried Glenzer, the Nif plasma scientist, led a team to test that theory, smashing records along the way.

"We hit it with 669 kilojoules - 20 times more than any previous laser facility," Nif's Siegfried Glenzer told BBC News.

That isn't that much total energy; it's about enough to boil a one-litre kettle twice over.

However, the beams delivered their energy in pulses lasting a little more than 10 billionths of a second.

By way of comparison, if that power could be maintained, it would boil the contents of more than 50 Olympic-sized swimming pools in a second.

'Dramatic step'

Crucially, the recent experiments provided proof that the plasma did not reduce the hohlraum's ability to absorb the incident laser light; it absorbed about 95%.

But more than that, Dr Glenzer's team discovered that the plasma can actually be carefully manipulated to increase the uniformity of the compression.

"For the first time ever in the 50-year journey of laser fusion, these laser-plasma interactions have been shown to be less of a problem than predicted, not more," said Mike Dunne, director of the UK's Central Laser Facility and leader of the European laser fusion effort known as HiPER.

"I can't overstate how dramatic a step that is," he told BBC News. "Many people a year ago were saying the project would be dead by now."

Adding momentum to the ignition quest, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory announced on Wednesday that, since the Science results were first obtained, the pulse energy record had been smashed again.

They now report an energy of one megajoule on target - 50% higher than the amount reported in Science.

The current calculations show that about 1.2 megajoules of energy will be enough for ignition, and currently Nif can run as high as 1.8 megajoules.

Dr Glenzer said that experiments using slightly larger hohlraums with fusion-ready fuel pellets - including a mix of the hydrogen isotopes deuterium as well as tritium - should begin before May, slowly ramping up to the 1.2 megajoule mark.

"The bottom line is that we can extrapolate those data to the experiments we are planning this year and the results show that we will be able to drive the capsule towards ignition," said Dr Glenzer.

Before those experiments can even begin, however, the target chamber must be prepared with shields that can block the copious neutrons that a fusion reaction would produce.

But Dr Glenzer is confident that with everything in place, ignition is on the horizon.

He added, quite simply, "It's going to happen this year."
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41798
Gender: male
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 10:13pm
 

tha's BIG news FD.

puts kruddy and ets in the shade.
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
muso
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 11:52pm
 
A long way to go before Fusion can be commercialised, but it's encouraging. If we had a carbon tax, the money would go into projects like this one, and we'd see nuclear fusion plants a lot sooner. 

The more Nuclear fusion plants, the less the carbon tax would cost.  It's as simple as that.
Back to top
 

...
1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #3 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 11:58pm
 
Not unlike playing the flute: you blow in one end and move your fingers up and down the holes.

It's that simple.

Smiley


It's like anything...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
muso
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:48am
 
If we put enough money and effort into it, we could have had working commercial scale fusion reactors by now. The obstacles are not insurmountable.  Even the ITER project could be fast tracked.
Back to top
 

...
1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not 
 
IP Logged
 
mozzaok
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 6741
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 8:55pm
 
Too much peace is the problem, unfortunately we see the most dramatic, and rapid progress at the times of greatest crisis, historically.
I hope we do not rely on that happening once too often though.
Back to top
 

OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!
 
IP Logged
 
Darwin
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1037
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2010 at 7:54am
 
Well, tackling AGW should be done on a war footing!
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53190
At my desk.
Can world's largest laser zap Earth's energy woes?
Reply #7 - Apr 29th, 2010 at 10:05pm
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/04/28/laser.fusion.nif/index.html?hpt=C2

Livermore, California (CNN) -- Scientists at a government lab here are trying to use the world's largest laser -- it's the size of three football fields -- to set off a nuclear reaction so intense that it will make a star bloom on the surface of the Earth.

The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's formula for cooking up a sun on the ground may sound like it's stolen from the plot of an "Austin Powers" movie. But it's no Hollywood fantasy: The ambitious experiment will be tried for real, and for the first time, late this summer.

If they're successful, the scientists hope to solve the global energy crisis by harnessing the energy generated by the mini-star.

The lab's venture has doubters, to be sure. Nuclear fusion, the type of high-energy reaction the California researchers hope to produce, has been a scientific pipe dream for at least a half-century. It's been pitched as a miracle power source. But it hasn't yielded many results.

To make matters worse, the U.S. Government Accountability Office this month released an audit of the lab's work that cites delays and mismanagement as reasons it's unlikely the scientists will create a fusion reaction this year.

But researchers in Livermore, about an hour's drive east of San Francisco, say it's not a matter of if but when their laser-saves-the-Earth experiment will be proved successful.

"We have a very high confidence that we will be able to ignite the target within the next two years," thus proving that controlled fusion is possible, said Bruno Van Wonterghem, a manager of the project, which is called the National Ignition Facility.

That would put the lab a step closer to "our big dream," he said, which is "to solve the energy problems of the world."

How to build a star

Here is the boiled-down recipe for how the Livermore lab plans to cook up a star:

Step one: Build the largest laser in the world, preferably inside a drab-looking office building. (To do this, you'll have to suspend all previous notions about what a laser looks like. This one is basically a giant factory full of tubes. The laser beam, which is concentrated light, bounces back and forth over the distance of a mile, charging up as it goes.)

Step two: Split this humongous laser into 192 beams. Aim all of them -- firing-range style -- at a single point that's about the size of a BB.

Step three: On that tiny target, apply a smidge of deuterium and tritium, two reactive isotopes of hydrogen that can be extracted from seawater. Surround those atoms with a gold capsule that's smaller than a thimble.

Step four: Fire the laser!

If all goes well, the resulting reaction will be hotter than the center of the sun (more than 100 million degrees Celsius) and will exert more pressure than 100 billion atmospheres. This will smash the hydrogen isotopes together with so much force and heat that their nuclei will fuse, sending off energy and neutrons.

Voila. An itty-bitty star is born.

Miracle cure?

The fusion reaction at the heart of this recipe is the same one that fuels the sun in our solar system and other stars.

"It's the most fundamental energy source in nature," Van Wonterghem said.

Workers at the Livermore Lab insist that the reaction isn't dangerous. Their version of fusion is controlled, rather than explosive like in America's current arsenal of nuclear weapons, which include a fusion reaction.

"There's no danger to the public," said Lynda Seaver, spokeswoman for the project.

"The [worst possible] mishap is, it doesn't work."

The fusion reaction does emit radioactive neutrons. But to stop those neutrons from escaping, the Livermore lab surrounds the reaction chamber with concrete walls that are more than 6½ feet thick.

Despite the fact that the reaction will "even exceed the conditions at the center of the sun," Van Wonterghem said, the controlled fusion is expected to be incredibly small and short-lived.

The star being cooked up in Livermore this summer is expected to die 200 trillionths of a second after it's ignited, Van Wonterghem said.

And it will measure only 5 microns across, which is several times smaller than the width of a human hair.

Road to commercialization

The value of this summer's experiment in laser-induced fusion will be in proving that powerful beams of light can produce a controlled fusion reaction, Seaver said.

It will take at least another 20 years, with adequate funding, to develop a continuous fusion reaction that could heat water, create steam and turn generators at a commercial fusion power plant, she said.

Meanwhile, the project is behind schedule and over budget, according to government reports.

Since 2005, when the laser-fusion experiment was isolated in a government program called the National Ignition Campaign, the project has spent more than $2 billion, or 25 percent more than its budget of $1.6 billion, according to the April Government Accountability Office report.

And, in those recent years, the project has fallen a year off schedule, the GAO says, with the expected completion date for the research now at the end of 2012.

Seaver, the National Ignition Facility spokeswoman, said the report mischaracterizes the lab's work.

"NIF has held all its milestones. It's held to its budget. The experiments are going just fine at NIF," she said. "They're going the way we thought they would."
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
tallowood
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Израиль Навсегда

Posts: 8156
Gender: male
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #8 - May 1st, 2010 at 9:58pm
 
To have "Star power" safely you need not only ability to release energy of star but also dimensions of stars and their initial mass. Actually we have one called Sun but I doubt that our planet becoming like it would do us any good the way we understand goodness at present time.



Back to top
 

עַם יִשְרָאֵל חַי
 
IP Logged
 
BatteriesNotIncluded
Gold Member
*****
Offline


MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #9 - May 24th, 2010 at 6:15pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29th, 2010 at 10:13pm:
tha's BIG news FD.

puts kruddy and ets in the shade.

Fascists vote Liberal!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Back to top
 

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
IP Logged
 
Calanen
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2241
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #10 - Jun 11th, 2010 at 10:12pm
 
muso wrote on Jan 29th, 2010 at 11:52pm:
A long way to go before Fusion can be commercialised, but it's encouraging. If we had a carbon tax, the money would go into projects like this one, and we'd see nuclear fusion plants a lot sooner.  

The more Nuclear fusion plants, the less the carbon tax would cost.  It's as simple as that.


And how much carbon tax does the Icelandic volcano have to pay?
Back to top
 

Quote:
ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
Yadda
 
IP Logged
 
mozzaok
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 6741
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #11 - Jun 11th, 2010 at 10:58pm
 
lol, the CO2 from the volcano was far more than offset, in fact exponentially far more offset, by the grounding of the planes.

The work these scientists are doing, may save us from ourselves, because god help us if they don't, we are collectively way too selfish, and blinkered to take any action on a global scale to preserve our own long term interests, if it inconveniences our short term thinking.
Back to top
 

OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!
 
IP Logged
 
Calanen
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2241
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #12 - Jun 12th, 2010 at 2:36pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jun 11th, 2010 at 10:58pm:
lol, the CO2 from the volcano was far more than offset, in fact exponentially far more offset, by the grounding of the planes.

The work these scientists are doing, may save us from ourselves, because god help us if they don't, we are collectively way too selfish, and blinkered to take any action on a global scale to preserve our own long term interests, if it inconveniences our short term thinking.


It's all rubbish, and what is more worrying is that politics on both sides of the fence (largely speaking) know it's rubbish, but also know there are votes in it. I sat across from some serving politicians and at least one retired one, as well as trade union officials at dinner the other night, and they matter of factly said they all knew climatechange was bulls*** 'But you can't say that of course - most of the public believe it - so that means we have to as well. The reason the Chinese derailed Copenhagen was because they know its bullsh**' stated one politician.

And no, I'm not going to say who said it.

Cue Helian to come into the thread saying it never happened and he knows everything and everyone and politicians don't have dinner with anyone, especially including me, and that particular politician was in queensland at the time so it couldn't have been him so ner.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jun 12th, 2010 at 2:42pm by Calanen »  

Quote:
ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
Yadda
 
IP Logged
 
NorthOfNorth
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 17258
Gender: male
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #13 - Jun 12th, 2010 at 3:37pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jun 12th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
Cue Helian to come into the thread saying it never happened and he knows everything and everyone and politicians don't have dinner with anyone, especially including me, and that particular politician was in queensland at the time so it couldn't have been him so ner.

Suffering a little credibility anxiety, there Calanen?

Back to top
 

Conviction is the art of being certain
 
IP Logged
 
Calanen
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2241
Re: Another fusion barrier broken
Reply #14 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 1:22am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12th, 2010 at 3:37pm:
Calanen wrote on Jun 12th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
Cue Helian to come into the thread saying it never happened and he knows everything and everyone and politicians don't have dinner with anyone, especially including me, and that particular politician was in queensland at the time so it couldn't have been him so ner.

Suffering a little credibility anxiety, there Calanen?



Anxiety? Such anxiety as I have might stem from fluctuations in the stockmarket, and policy decisions of government. Anything on here including and especially you, doesn't raise my blood pressure.

But you were very fond of saying anything I said was not true - so please don't spoil your record, so I thought I'd give you an introduction to say whatever I was saying now was not true as well.

Interestingly, in the course of telling me how I lied about everything, you collected as much information as you could on me, which seemed somewhat inconsistent. If I lied about everything, then such information would be of little use. But if I was telling the truth - then that did not really support your argument.

Not that any of it matters. Too much down time I think.
Back to top
 

Quote:
ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
Yadda
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print