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Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2009 at 10:02am
 
I was just going to respond and you deleted your post Auzgurl. Telstra is so desperate now, after ripping customers off for so long - they're practically giving their service away if you can get through to someone to complain.

Optus has some excellent "fusion" plans and you can get onto a real live person very quickly.
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Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:18am
 
Which service do most people use? I use Everyday Mobile (Woolworths) for my personal mobile because I don't make many voice calls, the prepaid  service means that you don't have to pay a fee every month, and the 60 day credit is also good. I don't tend to use it for internet.  It saved me some money when overseas this year. My phone is unlocked, so I just bought a prepaid sim card from Vodaphone when on holiday.

For my fixed line, I use naked DSL from TPG and voip from Gotalk. I could use TPG VOIP, but the Gotalk service offers some useful packages.

Both Gotalk and Telstra have insidious phone marketing techniques. I asked them to remove me from their list several times, and it was only when I threatened to sue them that they finally left me alone.


While in Europe (actually in the UK) , I bought an O2 usb prepaid modem for the equivalent of $30 Australian,which included enough credit for my entire holiday. It was already unlocked, so when I got back, I inserted an Optus prepaid mobile broadband Sim at a cost of $30, and I find it great for travelling.  
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Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:38am
 
I use my mobile as little as possible--the digital phones broadcast very strong radiation.


I use a 3 mobile broadband USB dongle and am trying to get that working again after I updated my Mac Mini to Snow Leopard.
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Reply #4 - Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:12pm
 
Darwin wrote on Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:38am:
I use my mobile as little as possible--the digital phones broadcast very strong radiation.


LOL -Sorry but I'm going to ask you for a reference for that.  My information is that most digital phones generally operate at lower input power than the old analog phones.

There have been a number of studies carried out in Sweden and the US on the incidence of brain cancer and mobile phone usage. As far as I'm aware, there are no links of brain cancer with mobile phone use. Ignore if you like.

Of course with everything else, it's hard to prove a negative.
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Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 7:41am
 
muso wrote on Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:12pm:
There have been a number of studies carried out in Sweden and the US on the incidence of brain cancer and mobile phone usage. As far as I'm aware, there are no links of brain cancer with mobile phone use. Ignore if you like.

Of course with everything else, it's hard to prove a negative.


Doesn't it depend on the carrier? Some mobile phone companies have a higher output of radiation depending on the strength or weakness of their frequency.

There have been many cases of brain cancer "assumed" to be linked to mobile phone usage, but as this technology hasn't been around for that long - we won't really know until Generation Y become mature adults - many being prolific users since early childhood.

As far as carriers go - I use an Optus Fusion plan - $100 per month, unlimited national, mobile, local and 131 nos. plus 20 gb of DSL. Great value.



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Reply #6 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 9:56am
 
Nah, the digitals emit a much stronger signal.

There have been cases with cancer linked to mobile phone use but obviously don't get the headlines.

Here at the shop my computers & laser are linked with ethernet cables, they won't be moved and I figure they are a bit more secure and there is a bit less radiation around.

Similarly I am mostly at the shop so landline is fine. bring on the NBN tho!!
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Reply #7 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 10:05am
 
mantra wrote on Nov 5th, 2009 at 7:41am:
Doesn't it depend on the carrier? Some mobile phone companies have a higher output of radiation depending on the strength or weakness of their frequency.



Wow. Where do I begin? It's a bit more complicated than that. Most mobile phones are dual band - some are triband. The actual frequency used depends on where you're using it and which Network to some extent, but there is actually very little difference between the Optus and Testra Mobile backbones. Optus 3G is on 2100Mhz/900Mhz while Telstra Next G is on 1800/850Mhz.

All the other services use one or the other - actually Vodaphone is an exception to that.  

The Australian safety limit is 2 watts per kilogram.

"Mobile Phones automatically adjust to the minimum power level to sucessfully connect and maintain a quality call".

" For every unit of distance (the aerial is ) away from your head the emission level level drops off twice as much." (inverse square law)

Online references:

[ARPANSA=Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency-

http://www.arpansa.gov.au/mobilephones/index.cfm
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There is no clear evidence in the existing scientific literature that the use of mobile telephones poses a long-term public health hazard (although the possibility of a small risk cannot be ruled out).


If you read and use the link above you will find some people who know what they are talking about.

Here are some links from people who sell protective devices, just for balance:

www.sarshield.com ,

Mobile Phone Manufacturers Forum
, [url=sar.nokia.com/sar/index.jsp]sar.nokia.com/sar/index.jsp


Radio waves are produced by such equipment as TV sets, mobile phones, microwave ovens and many other devices. Your exposure sitting in front of a TV is about the same as using a mobile phone, of course depending on how close you are.

LCD Televisions are an exception.

With phones, it doesn't matter much whether it's a 2G or 3G phone, there is not much difference between the frequencies. Different methods of modulation may modulate radio waves but the radio waves still exist with the different methods of modulation.

Here's another good link:

www.madsci.org/posts/arc...019028.Cb.r.html
Re: Can the radio waves affect the structure of a human cells?

Well of course they can if you increase the power enough. Your microwave operates at 2400 Mhz, but the typical power is around 1000 - 2000 Watts compared to 0.5 Watts for a typical phone.  

The bottom line is that there is no link between brain cancer and mobile phone use.  Given the safety factor involved, I'd say that such a link would be highly unlikely but not impossible.

Put it this way, apples contain carcinogens. Can we say that apples don't cause cancer? - Well no we can't, but there are so many other causes that the risk of getting cancer from eating apples is negligible.  

We can speak in the same terms about the risk of brain cancer from mobile phone use. The risk is negligible and would be next to impossible to prove, given all the other accumulated risks.

If that has cleared things up for you, I'm glad to be of assistance. If it has just confused you, I'm sorry, but some things are very complicated.
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Reply #8 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 10:32am
 
Darwin wrote on Nov 5th, 2009 at 9:56am:
Nah, the digitals emit a much stronger signal.

There have been cases with cancer linked to mobile phone use but obviously don't get the headlines.


I've seen some reports of claims, but they are unlikely to be successful for the reasons I explained before.

Analog used the 800MHz band, but the input power was constant and typically much higher than digital phone systems.

Digital phones can reduce input power in good signal strength areas, whereas Analog (AMPS) didn't have that capability. The dose was therefore higher taken over the entire population.

3G and Next G operate at a higher frequency, however the slightly  increased hazard is well and truly compensated by the lower power input.  

In radio, we talk about Power input to the antenna. The Effective radiated power (ERP) is higher than that, but depends on the gain of the transmitting antenna. (I'm no longer a licensed Radio Ham, but I used to be very active in construction and operation, and training of novices)

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Reply #9 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:23am
 
Just to show that I'm not BS'ing totally, here is a report that backs up my claims:

http://www.sarshield.com/news/USATODAY_com%20-%20Cancer%20study%20may%20help%20M...

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Newer digital phones emit less radiation than older analog models of the sort studied.


Now that might be true, but the overall use of mobile phones has gone up considerably. If there is any area that causes me concern, it's the fact that very young children are using mobile phones regularly. That increases the exposure considerably over a lifetime. There are quite a few unknowns there, and if I had young children, I wouldn't allow them to use a mobile phone. In fact I was continually telling my kids not to sit too close to the TV. The old CRT TV's used to emit a steady stream of high energy electrons.

I remember reading an article some time ago that put the EM radiation at 700% more from an AMPS phone compared to a GSM phone. (I wish I could find it) The risk would be very similar to that for Next G and 3G phones.  

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