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Are asylum seekers too much strain for Australia?
Oct 29th, 2009 at 8:23pm
 
The word is out that the government is weak. What do we do?
Our inhumane is their indifference.
The numbers of refugees may mean little to their country of origin, but to our relatively small population, it means masses.

Obviously we are already paying Indonesia big bucks to be humane, and without our dollars I have no doubt that they would display much less mercy.
Do we need to be inhumane to uphold our sense of fairness?
In a way, they are terrorists to our idea of fairness, but how would you feel if a boatload of people are turned away and then they become doomed?


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Reply #1 - Oct 29th, 2009 at 8:28pm
 
Why did you leave out the buzzword of your mob?? Are we being "swamped"???

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The numbers of refugees may mean little to their country of origin, but to our relatively small population, it means masses.


It means peanuts to our population. There's countries with smaller populations than us that have much larger refugee intakes, and they are in fact poorer, less equipped countries to do so.

No matter how many came, no matter our capacity to sustain them, no matter if it's humane or not, people like you will always whinge and complain and carry on and make out like we're being "swamped". You simply hate them for who they are (people from 3rd. world countries in need) and therefore fear their arrival.
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Reply #2 - Oct 29th, 2009 at 9:17pm
 
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It means peanuts to our population. There's countries with smaller populations than us that have much larger refugee intakes, and they are in fact poorer, less equipped countries to do so.


Pfft...really Abu  Roll Eyes
Do you know why they want to come here and not to some other pugknuckle nation?
They want to come here because they know that by their standards, they will already be rich just by landing here.
If they enter a third world nation, they will pretty much be left to fend for themselves. It's not a drain on their nations, however, to Australia they make us compromise a lot....as do muslims of course  Grin




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Reply #3 - Oct 29th, 2009 at 10:16pm
 
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Do you know why they want to come here and not to some other pugknuckle nation?


Ummm... human nature perhaps??? Do people intentionally aim for the lowest target?? Suggesting they would do otherwise is just ridiculous.

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They want to come here because they know that by their standards, they will already be rich just by landing here.


Many who come are fairly wealthy in their country or are at least financially stable, otherwise they couldn't afford to pay people smugglers to get them here, could they?

If they were to goto a third world country, they could probably live like kings with their wealth... why waste it all just to get here?

Most come here seeking asylum from persecution, something they can't be guaranteed in another 3rd. world country. And as mentioned above, because of the aiming for the highest target phenomena.

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however, to Australia they make us compromise a lot....as do muslims of course


There's no noticable drain on our country whatsoever, other than the countless hours of parliamentary time spent debating and scaremongering over the issue.
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 7:59am
 
Muslim religion and so called Jihad was designed to conquer and convert others (Infidels). To achieve this goal Muslim women are reduced on nothing else then factories for producing enormous number of children ( Average Muslim family in Australia has 12 children ).
Deliberately with planing, some of them are designed to be a Martyrs like suicide bombers or “Refugees’ sent to conquer other countries without wars and weapons.

In 1974, former Algerian President Houari Boumedienne warned Europe in a speech at the UN : “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”

“Soon we will take power in this country. Those who criticize us now, will regret it. They will have to serve us. Prepare, for the hour is near.” — Belgium-based imam in 1994.
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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 9:09am
 
I don't think asylum seekers are too much strain for Australia, but they should go through the legal channels rather than simply arriving on our doorstep expecting us to take them in.
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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 10:03am
 
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Average Muslim family in Australia has 12 children


You gotta be kidding?? I never met a family over 5, although I have heard of some with 10, never 12, perhaps they exist though.
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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 10:23am
 
I think Australia should accept more refugees, we can offer them a better life so why not? They are humans.
However, it is equally important for refugees to use the appropriate means--no blowing up boats. My experience with refugees has shown me how the people smuggles are nothing but ruthless thugs trying to rob refugees of what little money and dignity they have--people smugglers should be handed harsher sentences.
Athos I think your Islamophobia is clouding your judgment. The Tamil tigers who have been the recent refugees in the news are  not predominantley Muslims, they are mainly Hindus.
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Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 10:31am
 

islamophobia is a phrase deamed of by leftards, islamics and PC'ers .
it attempts to stifle discussion on the islamic aim, which abu can deflect expertly
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Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 10:47am
 
blutigeroo wrote on Oct 30th, 2009 at 10:23am:
I think Australia should accept more refugees, we can offer them a better life so why not? They are humans.

Would you like to invite half of Indonesia for a "better life" too? There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and that is in the refugee quotas. They have to apply legally at the DIAC and wait their turn instead of jumping in front of thousands of other also desperate applicants.
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Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:13am
 
No Jai, refugees is the term given to those who are specifically fleeing injustice, war etc. The Arab nations have each accepted close to one million Palestinian refugees, yes some of those nations are richer than us but we are stuck on this planet together and should realize that we all share a common humanity.
Indonesia can take care of its citizens (although not to the same degree as us) but in light of the recent earthquakes it is our duty to offer our support--it does not have to be monetary but we are sending aid. That is humanity.
Many journos have pointed out that they way Rudd is acting is idiotic and in violation of international laws regarding the humane treatment of displaced persons. If we can secure the wellbeing of Australians and still have money to spare then we can use our spare money to help other humans. That is why Howard's approach was better. By securing our borders he made sure we did not violate any international treaties when it came to boat people and by allowing refugees still come to Australia but using the appropriate channels, he demonstarted a humanity that Rudd lacks.
Sprinty, calling refugees Muslim jihadists without any evidence is inherently islamophobic. I merely pointed out that most Sri Lankan refugees are not Muslims and athos's was making propaganda-esque commonets out of thin air.
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Reply #11 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:30am
 
Year over        Total    
       stayers     unauthorised
                       arrivals   By boat  By air
97 - 98 50,950 1,715 157 (3 boats) 1,558
98 - 99 53,150 3,027 921 (42) 2,106
99 - 00 58,748 5,870 4,175 (75) 1,695
00 - 01 60,000 5,649 4,137 (54) 1,512
01 - 02 60,400 4,842 3,649 (23) 1,193
02 - 03 59,800 987 0 987
03 - 04 50,900 1,323 82 (3) 1,241
04 - 05 47,800 1,632 0 1,632
05 - 06 46,400 1,654 56 (4) 1,598
06 - 07 46,500 1,523 135 (5) 1,388
07 - 08 48,500 1,476 25 (3) 1,451

Everybody needs a cold shower, have a look at the numbers of people who are living illegally in Australia-
in 2007-08 48500 overstayed their visa
25 came here by boat.
But 1451 came by air.

What do we do about these plane people should be the question.

As for these "queue jumpers" there is no queue, people that are in these camps don't take a number when they arrive and wait their turn, if they get chosen its luck ,not because they waited their turn.
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Reply #12 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:33am
 
This latest lot in Indonesia seem very militant if they're talking about hunger strikes and refusing to come ashore.

In my view, they are obviously not just interested in a safe haven. These are economic migrants, but how do you stem the flow of refugees humanely without creating a stir?

Well, they could have a shoot to kill policy on the Captain Bram types who organise people smuggling.  Grin  

- or at least make sure that they receive long prison sentences for  having flagrant disregard for their passengers. What they do borders on attempted murder.  

Make life uncomfortable for people smugglers and it might just help.
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Reply #13 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:35am
 
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What do we do about these plane people should be the question.



Excellent point Skippy. Now why didn't I think of looking up that data?
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Reply #14 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:50am
 
Thanks Skippy, excellent research.
Plane people are a bigger problem than boat people so why does our govt. like to pick on boat people? It is because the vision of boats on TV reminds us all of the Tampa fiasco and gives the govt. political leverage?

Many plane people just disappear off the radar when their visa expires so perhaps we need to develop a system for keeping a closer eye on all enter our country on visa. Make it law for all non-citizens to present their passport when applying for ANY job perhaps?

Also, I have heard that many plane people are prostitues, paid for and protected by Brothels or rich Aussie men. Perhaps a crackdown on brothels is in order?

These are just my ideas.
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