Speech by the child-murdering war criminal gets interrupted by some brave souls in San Francisco.

so go start a thread for it and vanish from this one.

"War Criminal" Olmert?

What would you do if you were PM of Australia and Indonesia vowed to wipe Australia off the map, continuously firing rockets and ignoring attempts at negotiation. Hamas was given multiple warnings! You are forced to pacify them and collateral damage is impossible to prevent. Shame on the supposed "brave souls" for attacking someone who had to make a painful and difficult decision.

Actually a more _accurate_ analogy would be what if Indonesians mass immigrated into Australia, claiming it was previously theres in the distant past, then herded all the Australians into refugee camps, killing robbing and expelling millions, and then the Australians began fighting back with whatever means they could, and the Indonesians crushed them....    there was a group of people who followed the arbitrary repressive violent artificial laws of some ancient murderous sex addict and fervantly wanted either death or for the whole world to follow the same sex addict.
That's more like the situation.

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An admirable admission.

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True.. but what then of those who want to come back after 2000 years?

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Only time will tell. There's 1.6 billion of us and only about 15 million of them... so we'll see how it plays out I guess. We're not going to accept it ever, so I guess it's just going to be a state of perpetual war.

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That's the whole point I guess. They won't suffer in silence, they'll make everyone else feel a bit of what they've been going through for over half a century now... Pretty wise choice of strategy if you ask me.

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The Palestinian people suffer whether their government resists or not, so they've decided they might as well resist. During the invasion of Gaza I had the chance to meet with some of the wounded Palestinians in Cairo's hospitals, and all of them, whether Hamas supporters or not, all unanimously echoed their support for resisting, no matter the consequences. We could not believe their immense courage, even when we expressed our condolences for their injuries and predicament, they requested that we just be happy for them, that they were honoured with the chance to suffer for their freedom, by resisting the occupier.

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I can only hope

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Well there's a few points to consider regarding this:

1) The Jewish presence there indicates that it can be undone, even after very long periods of time.

2) The Palestinians are languishing in the squalor of occupation & refugee camps right now. It hasn't been "done" yet, it is still in the process of being done. Therefore it's still quite reversible. The British caused this mess, and now they claim it can't be undone, a fine excuse for keeping their obviously deliberate work "done".

3) Actually the Chrstians occupied it for 99 years before, and it *was* undone. The Zionist state has only been there about 60 years now, so after another 40, if a Saladin type figure hasn't arisen from amongst the Muslims to liberate it, then we might start considering it can't be undone in the forseeable future... perhaps.

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You're correct they do. And the Palestinians seem to be. Unless of course by "making the best" you meant submitting to the occupation, and working with the occupiers rather than against them??

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Why not?? They've done a decent enough job of "evacuating" millions of Palestinians... so I'm sure the Palestinians have learnt plenty of ways to "evacuate" people....

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I'd say it would come close to 99%. Besides, it's not necessary for each and every individual to.

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Really? Are they practising Muslims??

Perhaps they just want to avoid an argument with you..

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You are failing to distinguish between the regimes and the people. The people unanimously reject their governments' betrayals. Israel needs to worry about the next few generations of leaderships, not this current one. Yes this current one is still very firmly attached to the superpowers which helped to found them, but the resentment is growing, and so too will the resolve to remove those leaders who serve the interests of the superpowers, instead of their people's.

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Actually I'd say those 3 are not that great a threat. Iran just hassles Israel to get America's attention. Iran really wants to be accepted by the U.S, but the U.S just won't have a bar of them...

Syria is just pathetic, and I doubt they could fight their way out of a biodegradable plastic bag.

Lebanon is too divided (just as her founders designed her to be) to be a threat to anyone. Sure the occasional militant attack might occur, but it's really nothing. Lebanon as a country is completely impotent.

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Indeed. It looks like Hamas is slowly taking more and more control of the Palestinian population's affections, and soon will be poised to rule both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank... And Israel and the U.S keep pushing the situation further and further into that direction... either they're complete buffoons, or they've got something up their sleeves, not quite sure just yet.

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So we're led to believe. If you examine those wars closer though, you'll find they were fought for an alterior motive... perhaps to convince their respective populaces that Israel was unbeatable, and so excuse their "giving up". Most of the regimes have had clandestine relations with Israel from day one. Jordan certainly has, Saudi Arabia today still publicly denies it, but it's well known they both serve the same master, and will co-operate when ordered to, like over Iran.

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The rocket attacks were a direct result of the economic blockade... Why is this fact rarely mentioned in the media?? Why is it always portrayed as beginning with the Palestinian actions, when in fact the Palestinians have _always_ since 1948 been the retaliator, not the instigator??

If you were being blockaded, wouldn't you try any action you could to remove it? Don't you think it's legitimate for a people, who've been herded into a giant refugee camp, then economically blockaded, to resist and defend themselves?? The real cause of the Gaza incursion was the fault of the Palestinians. They elected Hamas, and this was their crime. The so called defenders of Democracy U.S rejected the decision of the Palestinian people, and so they blockaded the Palestinian people, to try and force them to rebel against Hamas, and bring a more pro-West regime to power... It's not quite what the media would have us believe though...

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 27^th, 2009 at 4:01pm:



This article is about you, then, and salafis like you.



Hamas is not radical enough
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aUoNgl6ipurk


By Daniel Williams

Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- On the streets of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, clusters of men wear long tunics over baggy trousers, a costume common in Pakistan but virtually unknown among Palestinians -- until recently.

It is an emblem of the Salafi, a branch of Islam that advocates restoring a Muslim empire across the Middle East and into Spain. Some preach violence, even killing Muslims deemed not pious enough. While historically a fringe group in the southeastern Mediterranean, they have sought inroads in Lebanon and Jordan and are battling Hamas in Gaza.

While al-Qaeda, which shares the Salafis’ conservative religious views and promotion of holy war, hasn’t gained a foothold in the region, Salafis may be the wave of the future. In Algeria and Morocco, similar movements have expanded in the past two decades to create havoc through civilian bombings and attacks on police.







It does go on.