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Reply #45 - May 8^th, 2010 at 7:44pm

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Well I can most certainly understand Annie's perspective, I used to hold the same views myself, and to a very large degree, I still think they are very valid, I do howvere hold a far deeper mistrust of Islam than I previously did, so whilst I agree that we should not tar all muslims with the same brush, as terrorists, or criminals, we do still need to recognise behavioural traits they do share.

Thank you, Mozza. I'd be interested in hearing why you developed a distrust of Islam, if you don't mind sharing.

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Reply #46 - May 8^th, 2010 at 7:59pm

Turkey's long and arduous limp back to Europe indicates that Islamic societies (even one where secularism is constitutionally guaranteed) still have some way to go before they come to terms with the modern Western European secular state.

Turkey's attempt to disqualify the Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen from leadership of NATO because he refused to apologise for cartoon depictions of Mohammed, indicates that it is not genuine in its claimed full embrace of Western ideals.

Although Turkey ultimately dropped its objections when it woke up to the fact that the country's chances of entering the European Union were harmed by them, it gives pause for thought about whether Islamic peoples will ever be ready to fully embrace Western democratic ideals.

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: assimilating is not an option Reply #47 - May 8^th, 2010 at 8:05pm Let's hope to god Turkey never gets accepted into the European Union. Islam or not, it would a mad thing to do; Europeans will see an inundation of poor Turks into their countries.
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Reply #48 - May 8^th, 2010 at 8:07pm

aikmann4 wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

The Northmen kick the living poo out of Muslims in the coolness factor though.

http://www.ivargault.com/bilder/vikingraid_2.jpg

"Oh God, save us from the fury of the Northmen!"

It's hard to imagine how terrifying these blonde haired, blue eyed giants were to everybody they terrorized and encountered; Europeans, Arabs, and even Native Americans weren't spared from their raids.

Thistles
by Ted Hughes

Against the rubber tongues of cows and the hoeing hands of men
Thistles spike the summer air
And crackle open under a blue-black pressure.

Every one a revengeful burst
Of resurrection, a grasped fistful
Of splintered weapons and Icelandic frost thrust up

From the underground stain of a decayed Viking.
They are like pale hair and the gutturals of dialects.
Every one manages a plume of blood.

Then they grow grey like men.
Mown down, it is a feud. Their sons appear
Stiff with weapons, fighting back over the same ground.

Ted Hughes, to my mind the greatest (English) poet of the last century (or two) was a Yorkshire man, a Northerner: a Dane in the old sense.

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102425	Re: assimilating is not an option Reply #49 - May 8^th, 2010 at 8:16pm So it was the Turks, eh? I could have told you that years ago. Never trust a Turk. He's good with cold steel though, you can say that about him. Damn good soldier, your Turk.
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Reply #50 - May 8^th, 2010 at 8:28pm

Big Donger wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 8:16pm:

So it was the Turks, eh?

I could have told you that years ago. Never trust a Turk. He's good with cold steel though, you can say that about him. Damn good soldier, your Turk.

Clark Kerr is best remembered in the public imagination for a much reproduced note he is said to have written in 1943 to Lord Pembroke while Ambassador to Moscow.[1]

My Dear Reggie,
In these dark days man tends to look for little shafts of light that spill from Heaven. My days are probably darker than yours, and I need, my God I do, all the light I can get. But I am a decent fellow, and I do not want to be mean and selfish about what little brightness is shed upon me from time to time. So I propose to share with you a tiny flash that has illuminated my sombre life and tell you that God has given me a new Turkish colleague whose card tells me that he is called Mustapha Kunt.

We all feel like that, Reggie, now and then, especially when Spring is upon us, but few of us would care to put it on our cards. It takes a Turk to do that.

Sir Archibald Clark Kerr

http://www.ntk.net/2000/02/25/moscow.gif

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102425	Re: assimilating is not an option Reply #51 - May 8^th, 2010 at 8:42pm Good lord, they're coming out tonight. I hope Reggie saved the dear fellow from Mr Kunt. Whatever is a Turk doing with a business card? Not business, you can be sure of that.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: assimilating is not an option Reply #52 - May 8^th, 2010 at 8:49pm Big Donger wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 8:42pm: Good lord, they're coming out tonight. I hope Reggie saved the dear fellow from Mr Kunt. Whatever is a Turk doing with a business card? Not business, you can be sure of that. Whooosh...... Over you head -again...
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Reply #53 - May 8^th, 2010 at 8:57pm

Winston churchill had a few things to say about the Turks, no doubt inspired by Mr Kunt:

From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent...

Turkey and Persia are both profoundly alarmed and disturbed at the claims which are being made upon them and at the pressure being exerted by the Moscow Government. An attempt is being made by the Russians in Berlin to build up a quasi-Communist party in their zone of Occupied Germany by showing special favours to groups of left-wing German leaders. At the end of the fighting last June, the American and British Armies withdrew westwards, in accordance with an earlier agreement, to a depth at some points of 150 miles upon a front of nearly four hundred miles, in order to allow our Russian allies to occupy this vast expanse of territory which the Western Democracies had conquered.

I imagine we should thank the Russians now.

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Reply #54 - May 8^th, 2010 at 9:07pm

Big Donger wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 8:57pm:

Winston churchill had a few things to say about the Turks, no doubt inspired by Mr Kunt:

From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent...

Turkey and Persia are both profoundly alarmed and disturbed at the claims which are being made upon them and at the pressure being exerted by the Moscow Government. An attempt is being made by the Russians in Berlin to build up a quasi-Communist party in their zone of Occupied Germany by showing special favours to groups of left-wing German leaders. At the end of the fighting last June, the American and British Armies withdrew westwards, in accordance with an earlier agreement, to a depth at some points of 150 miles upon a front of nearly four hundred miles, in order to allow our Russian allies to occupy this vast expanse of territory which the Western Democracies had conquered.

I imagine we should thank the Russians now.

So a Kunt is not a Kunt - and proud to put that on his card - because Churchill spoke of the Iron Curtain. Like many others, you remind me of Martini in One flew over the cocoo's nest -you are passing the ball to people only you can see.

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Reply #55 - May 8^th, 2010 at 9:31pm

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 9:07pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 8:57pm:

Winston churchill had a few things to say about the Turks, no doubt inspired by Mr Kunt:

From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent...

Turkey and Persia are both profoundly alarmed and disturbed at the claims which are being made upon them and at the pressure being exerted by the Moscow Government. An attempt is being made by the Russians in Berlin to build up a quasi-Communist party in their zone of Occupied Germany by showing special favours to groups of left-wing German leaders. At the end of the fighting last June, the American and British Armies withdrew westwards, in accordance with an earlier agreement, to a depth at some points of 150 miles upon a front of nearly four hundred miles, in order to allow our Russian allies to occupy this vast expanse of territory which the Western Democracies had conquered.

I imagine we should thank the Russians now.

So a Kunt is not a Kunt - and proud to put that on his card - because Churchill spoke of the Iron Curtain. Like many others, you remind me of Martini in One flew over the cocoo's nest -you are passing the ball to people only you can see.

My dear, dear fellow. A martini should only be drunk after 5. Of course, I prefer it English-style, without the vermouth, thank you very much.

What is this obsession the Americans have with vermouth and lemon twists?

Your Turk won't touch the stuff - prefers hashish, you know. Perhaps poor Kunt had had one too many when he went into the printers.

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: assimilating is not an option Reply #56 - May 8^th, 2010 at 9:48pm dickhead debate ITT
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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102425	Re: assimilating is not an option Reply #57 - May 8^th, 2010 at 9:51pm Not with language like that I won't, dear. Mother taught me manners. ITT indeed.
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Reply #58 - May 8^th, 2010 at 9:59pm

Big Donger wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 9:31pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 9:07pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 8:57pm:

Winston churchill had a few things to say about the Turks, no doubt inspired by Mr Kunt:

From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent...

Turkey and Persia are both profoundly alarmed and disturbed at the claims which are being made upon them and at the pressure being exerted by the Moscow Government. An attempt is being made by the Russians in Berlin to build up a quasi-Communist party in their zone of Occupied Germany by showing special favours to groups of left-wing German leaders. At the end of the fighting last June, the American and British Armies withdrew westwards, in accordance with an earlier agreement, to a depth at some points of 150 miles upon a front of nearly four hundred miles, in order to allow our Russian allies to occupy this vast expanse of territory which the Western Democracies had conquered.

I imagine we should thank the Russians now.

So a Kunt is not a Kunt - and proud to put that on his card - because Churchill spoke of the Iron Curtain. Like many others, you remind me of Martini in One flew over the cocoo's nest -you are passing the ball to people only you can see.

My dear, dear fellow. A martini should only be drunk after 5. Of course, I prefer it English-style, without the vermouth, thank you very much.

What is this obsession the Americans have with vermouth and lemon twists?

Your Turk won't touch the stuff - prefers hashish, you know. Perhaps poor Kunt had had one too many when he went into the printers.

Thank you , Mustapha, be seated.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: assimilating is not an option Reply #59 - May 9^th, 2010 at 8:26am Big Donger wrote on May 8^th, 2010 at 8:16pm: He's good with cold steel though, you can say that about him. Damn good soldier, your Turk. And that's good luck for them... A potent secularist army... That'd be the only thing preventing the country from descending into the hell of an Islamic theocracy.
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