Isn't this hate speech?

Am i a religious bigot??



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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_Hate.htm




Explanation......

The statements above, reflect ISLAMIC doctrine towards non-moslems,
.....with the enemies of Allah [those, non-moslems], substituted with the word, 'Muslims'.







There are no moderate good moslems - ANYWHERE.

Why not?

Because the moment a good moslem, becomes a sincere 'moderate' moslem, he becomes an apostate [a moslem heretic], and worthy of execution, for insulting ISLAM by his disbelief.

A moslem who ceases to believe the things, which other good moslems believe,

• ceases being a moslem,
• he relinquishes his right to live, and
• he deserves to die.

That is not my claim, but ISLAM's own assertion.

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...





THE KORAN, instructs good moslems...

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/...
[i.e. those 'moslems' who make sincere friendships with unbelievers, ARE unbelievers]





ISLAMIC law texts declare, whom moslems can 'lawfully' kill,
....'unbelievers',

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110
alternate site...
http://www.islamonline.net/English/Ramadan/1424/10/fiqhi_issues/Rulings_of_Fasti...

n.b. "Whoever......*becomes an unbeliever*.....his blood may legally be spilled."










Me?

I am telling you the TRUTH.

Am i a bigot, because i tell you the TRUTH about ISLAM / good moslems ???

I'll let you judge me.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 12:17pm:



abu,

I will concede that yes, many non-moslems 'go around', acting like beasts.

That doesn't give those who claim to be God's people, OR 'good' moslems, the right to slaughter non-moslems as if they

are

beasts.

Moslems do not have the authority from God to kill other human beings, because they don't believe as they themselves [moslems] do.

To act in such a way, is a bestial act in itself.



John 16:2
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Yadda,

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And nowhere did I state it does.

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Agreed.

skip,

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Why do you have a problem with it? It's in fact the core belief of all those who don't believe in God. When Darwin propounded his theory of evolution, upon which most, if not all, atheists base their belief about humanity, he clearly classified human beings as animals/beasts. Therefore why on earth would you have a problem with Islam merely stating about you what you already believe about yourself??

Or am  I misunderstanding you here? do you believe yourself to be an animal or no??

We are all animals abu, you and yadda included.
The way the text is written is to offend non believers and encourage believers to harm non believers.
Here's a simple question abu, are you animal, vegetable or mineral?

It's in the Koran

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Yes it is, "strike off their heads" do you know what it means to "strike off someones head?

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According to the monkey who wrote it.

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The part which mentions striking them is talking about when they come to wage war on you. It's not about murdering at all.

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Did you read the verses in context??? Or only those words??

8:53 "Because Allah will never change the grace which He hath bestowed on a people until they change what is in their (own) souls: and verily Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things)."

From this point it is abundantly clear the verses are speaking about humans changing their own behaviour/beliefs (ie. not acting like wild beasts).

8:54 (Deeds) after the manner of the people of Pharaoh and those before them": They treated as false the Signs of their Lord: so We destroyed them for their crimes, and We drowned the people of Pharaoh: for they were all oppressors and wrong- doers.

Then a reference to Pharaoh and his people, who are symbolised in the Qur'an as people who rejected God and worshipped a human (which is what atheists today do in effect, making themselves or their desires or their fellow men as gods over them) and where their rejection of God led them (ie. destruction).

8:55 For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.

Now the verse in question, in which it's pointed out that those who follow the way of Pharaoh and his people become like beasts.

8:56 They are those with whom thou didst make a covenant, but they break their covenant every time, and they have not the fear (of Allah..

Now their relationship to those people who made covenants with the Muslims and then betrayed them and helped to invade and attack Medina to wage war on the Muslims.

8:57 If ye gain the mastery over them in war, disperse, with them, those who follow them, that they may remember.

And how to deal with them. Tell me skip, how do you think you'd deal with people who make a covenant/alliance with you, then betray you, and aid invaders to invade and wage war on you??? Would you invite them over for a barbie would you????

Nowhere in any of these verses does it even hint that Muslims should just go around striking the heads of non-Muslims. Such claims are just baseless nonsense, and would only be propagated by a dishonest person, and believed by a gullible one.

And even if we move down to the end of the passage, it clearly states:

8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

So even after treachery and betrayal, if they incline towards peace, so should the Muslims.

Nothing at all like what you claimed.

As for this verse:

8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

It is not a command whatsoever, it is a recount of a battle (the Battle of Badr), in which over 1000 pagan Arabs came to invade Medinah (check where Badr is on a map compared to where Makkah and Medinah are, it's quite clear they were invading Medinah) and about 300 ill equipped Muslims defended themselves and ended up beating the far superior invaders. It is not a command to strike the heads of non-Muslims at all.

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I think you're a bit confused there mate. Go back and read over it again. I said the passage did not say Christians, so reversing it and saying Muslims is just wrong. That was my point.

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Is this your attempt to avoid the fact that you just wrongly interpreted the passages, based on the out of context quotes on an anti-Islamic website??

Just be man enough to admit you jumped the gun a little.