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Reply #15 - Sep 4^th, 2009 at 8:51am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 6:36pm:

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If i had been born a moslem, and a right thinking human being, and if i then studied what my religion proposed and endorsed,
.....i would be ashamed to call myself a moslem.

Nope, you would've seen a balanced view of Islam, instead of just out of context quotes from dhimmiwatch, and therefore you'd know Islam was the truth.

ROFLOL!

I fell off my chair!

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Btw, I like your idea about teaching Islamic texts in schools. Again so long as it's a balanced teaching, I think it'd be a wonderful idea
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So do i abu, so do i !

But in my ideal world, there would be no moslem imams 'leading' the students.

Because the study of these ISLAMIC texts, would seek to be a critical exposition of all aspects of what ISLAM is, and an exposition of what ISLAM truly teaches in its foundation texts.

And for your suggested 'balance' abu, we could, ideally, have classroom discussions of, and comparisons, between; the 'principles' expounded within ISLAM's foundation texts, and say, the principles expounded in a document such as the USA constitution.

How do you like those apples abu?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #17 - Sep 4^th, 2009 at 10:20pm

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But in my ideal world, there would be no moslem imams 'leading' the students.

That's right, it'd be a loyal Robert Spencer devotee, misquoting and taking "selected passages" out of context to try and prop up the fantasy history of ravaging hordes of Muslims spreading Islam at the point of a sword, and dismissing any other passages as merely "Muslim doublespeak".

But, I'd still think it's a good idea. Because I've met ex-missionaries, who've first heard about Islam from their pastor, and even through the biased and misrepresentative portrayal of it, the truth of Islam managed to seep through and touch their hearts, bringing them to Islam. So even if only a few came to Islam through it, it would be worth it

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Reply #18 - Sep 5^th, 2009 at 2:24pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 10:20pm:

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That's right, it'd be a loyal Robert Spencer devotee, misquoting and taking "selected passages" out of context.......I've met ex-missionaries, who've first heard about Islam from their pastor, and even through the biased and misrepresentative portrayal of it, the truth of Islam managed to seep through and touch their hearts, bringing them to Islam. So even if only a few came to Islam through it, it would be worth it

abu,

Everything is in context, ISLAM is an evil, wicked, deceitful, supremacist philosophy.

And ISLAM has presented it case, and its dawa [invitation to ISLAM], to the world.

And all good moslems, in their dawa, give all non-moslems, three options.

The three options which ISLAM offers to non-moslems,
1/ conversion or
2/ subjugation, or
3/ death.

Convert to ISLAM, and worship Mohammed and Allah.

If non-moslems refuse to convert to ISLAM, non-moslems must agree to be subject to ISLAM's laws [i.e. non-moslems must agree to be the slaves of moslems, and acknowledge that moslems are superior].

If non-moslems refuse the previous two options, non-moslems must be 'justly' killed by good moslems, for 'insulting' ISLAM, by their resistance to ISLAM's 'peace', and for their un-ISLAMIC existence.

Its not difficult to understand abu.

The Hadith...

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

".....The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

The Koran instructs moslems, that,

"Fighting [against non-moslems] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/...
[i.e.... fighting the non-moslems, to bring Allah's way [Sharia], is an obligation on every moslem.]

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/...iCOLLECTED COMMENTS....

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I'll highlight what I've written so that maybe you get it this time: "you know there is no possible peace in the Dar Al Harb". For those who don't know, Islam recognizes two parts of the world: Dar Al Islam, the House of Submission, or House of Peace, and Dar Al Harb, the House of War. The only peace for Muslims is the peace of their rule. When they don't rule all we can hope for is truce. They make truce when they realize they aren't strong enough to resume attacking the unsubmissive.

'Eikinkloster'

Wherever in the world there is a moslem community, there is a[other] 'Palestinian' community.
A moslem population in a non-moslem country [Dar Al Harb] will always complain about how the host country treats them, and whine about how it makes them subject to non-moslem laws.
And as the moslem population grows, moslems agitate for their own rules [Sharia], and then their own state.

For those who don't know, there is no possible peace between moslems and Dar Al Harb [a non-moslem community].
For those who don't know, Islam recognizes two parts of the world: Dar Al Islam [the House of Submission, or House of Peace], and Dar Al Harb [the House of War].

The only peace moslems 'recognise', is the peace of their rule [Sharia law].
When they don't rule all we can hope for is truce.
Moslems obey an unspoken truce, when, where, they realize they aren't strong enough to attack the unsubmissive.
All moslems are in 'truce' atm, with their host, non-moslem communities.

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Once and for all, why don't people see Islam for what it is and always has been, read the Koran, its all there, its simple, be passive if the Kuffer is strong, then as your power base grows, take over and destroy the non belivers, all the people in this country that don't live near places like Blackburn like i do haven't a clue what is going on, and yes, after working here for the last 26 years i too am moving out of the area for this reason. Why? because everybody else i know already has left.
Look at history, this all thing as just one outcome...

'SF'
source....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22805 A cat with a view	Re: Eurabian Safari Reply #19 - Sep 5^th, 2009 at 2:34pm The Dawa to non-moslems, the 'invitation' to ISLAM. Google, dawa conversion subjugation death http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=dawa+conversion+subjugation+death&btnG=S...
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Re: Eurabian Safari
Reply #20 - Sep 5^th, 2009 at 4:21pm

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The three options which ISLAM offers to non-moslems,
1/ conversion or
2/ subjugation, or
3/ death.

Hmm... I've heard that somewhere before..

Ahh that's right, the "God of Israel":

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As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.

(which terms?? conversion perhaps??)

If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.

(subjugation)

But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.

(death)

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

So if that's the Islamic 'options' for non-Muslims, then they seem to be nothing your God (ie. The "God of Israel") doesn't approve of and even command for his loyal servants.

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Convert to ISLAM, and worship Mohammed and Allah.

The fact you resort to such open and blatant lies really damages any case you might otherwise have thought you had. Anyone found worshipping Muhammad (pbuh) would be an apostate from Islam, plain and simple, no questions asked. And you know it. You apostle of falsehood.

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Reply #21 - Sep 5^th, 2009 at 4:33pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 4:21pm:

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Convert to ISLAM, and worship Mohammed and Allah.

abu,

As much as you may deny it, effectively, every moslem is worshipping Mohammed, not Allah.

Part 053 - Allah and his Aposle Know Best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uihsSHJxbVc

Part 161 - Muhammad and Allah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyz5uvJ5dVk
'Allah, AND his apostle'.
Allah was always very mindful of all of Muhammad's needs.
Allah, a severe God to all of humanity, except to Muhammad, to whom Allah gives divine sanction, to all of Muhammad's needs.

Part 163 - Muhammad the Humble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFcDXs01DIg
'Allah, AND his apostle'.
Allah and Muhammad equal in importance, and it is clear that whatever does not please Muhammad, the same with Allah.
Muhammad, the narcissist.

A full list of all, al Rassooli's "AhmadsQuran3" talks, available on YOUTUBE....
http://www.al-rassooli.com/ahmadsquran3/

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #22 - Sep 5^th, 2009 at 5:18pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 4:21pm:

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The three options which ISLAM offers to non-moslems,
1/ conversion or
2/ subjugation, or
3/ death.

Hmm... I've heard that somewhere before..

Ahh that's right, the "God of Israel":

Quote:

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.

(which terms?? conversion perhaps??)

If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.

(subjugation)

But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.

(death)

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

So if that's the Islamic 'options' for non-Muslims, then they seem to be nothing your God (ie. The "God of Israel") doesn't approve of and even command for his loyal servants.

abu,

Strange how moslems believe that they are the 'loyal servants' of the "God of Israel", because they claim that the "God of Israel" is also Allah.

WRONG.

Mohammed, in his Koran, justified much of ISLAM's violent doctrine, borrowing the justification for violence, from what the O.T. Hebrews did, commanded by their God, 3,400 years ago now.

And while Mohammed adopted, plagiarised, some of the details of Judaism from the O.T., and adopted, plagiarised, some of the details of the Christian faith from the N.T., to create the 'revealed' Koran, and his very own new religion for the Arab peoples, Mohammed failed to create anything righteous.

In manufacturing ISLAM, all that Mohammed devised [was not a noble religion], but criminal philosophy that very efficiently manages to turn 'blank sheet' human beings, into criminally insane individuals, and wannabee psychotic murderers.

Moslems, serving their Allah, by oppressing and 'righteously' murdering those, who don't believe as they do.

The Hadith...

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

ISLAM, the 'religion' that is about worldly 'booty'.

THE SPOILS OF WAR 'HAVE BEEN MADE LAWFUL',

From the Hadith.....

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:"

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

Mohammed was a pirate, and a criminal, a murderer, a person who had a bad spirit whispering in his ear, a person who gave himself, to 'the darkness'.

Part 009 - Was Muhammad a Prophet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFoj7z2ABQE

Part 011 - The Black Stone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UnrVCQFmh0

Part 012 - What is the Ka'ba?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdxWT_slTs

Part 014 - Quran Against Christians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZdeNZS1yqk

Part 016 - Quran Against Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_i6r-FYrIc

Part 019 - Quran Against Unbelievers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5_djbuagc

Part 022 - Quran Against Arabs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hLbI938shA

Part 045A - Jews of Arabia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdyLGXskMTg

Part 045B - Jews of Arabia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35xeq2aOOco

Part 047 - Ancestry of the Arabs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1743mRxr7lo

Part 056 - Made to Order Revelations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsD3P1Z3Mh0

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #23 - Sep 5^th, 2009 at 10:11pm

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As much as you may deny it, effectively, every moslem is worshipping Mohammed, not Allah.

He is a prophet/messenger of God, so of course following his commands is following the commands of God, since he is speaking the revealed word, but this was the same for all prophets/messengers before him.

It's quite ironic, because you actually do literally worship your prophet/messenger. Instead of just following his commands and worshipping the one true God, you bow down and worship the one who himself bows down and worships the real God.

I guess that's why you try to project your misdeeds and polytheism onto us, since you know somewhere deep down in your heart that worshipping a human figure is wrong.

It's amazing how utterly blinded to the clear reality you are. You openly worship your messenger, but deny it is polytheistic, and instead accuse Muslims of doing what you yourself clearly do, and Muslims most certainly do not do.

For you black is white and white is black, truth is falsehood and falsehood is truth, good is evil and evil is good. You are the apostle of inveracity.

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