Finally somone's beginning to talk some sense...

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UK MPs urge talks with Hamas

British legislators have urged the government to talk to moderates within Hamas, saying the West's policy of shunning the Palestinian group was showing little sign of success. Russia is the only member of the Quartet of Middle East peace brokers, which also comprises the United States, the United Nations and the European Union, talking to Hamas. The British parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee said in a report on Sunday it stood by a recommendation it first made two years ago that the government should engage politically with moderate elements within Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip.

Brown's government says it is open to talks with  Hezbollah, but not with Hamas [Reuters]

"We conclude that there continue to be few signs that the current policy of non-engagement is achieving the Quartet's stated objectives," the committee said.

"We further conclude that the credible peace process for which the Quartet hopes, as part of its strategy for undercutting Hamas, is likely to be difficult to achieve without greater co-operation from Hamas itself."

Incentives

The committee, made up of MPs from all the main political parties, said it was dismayed that, six months after the end of fighting in Gaza, there was still no ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas.

There had been little change to several issues that contributed to the conflict, it said.

"We conclude that this situation makes for an ongoing risk of insecurity and a renewed escalation of violence," it said.

The committee said it was concerned the Quartet was failing to provide Hamas with greater incentives to change its position.

It said Britain should talk to Hamas moderates as a way of encouraging the group to meet the Quartet principles.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown's government changed policy in March by saying it was open to talks with the political wing of Lebanon's Iranian-backed Hezbollah, but it remains opposed to talking to Hamas.

Israel invaded Gaza on December 27, 2008 and fighting continued until January 18, 2009, killing more than 1,000 people.

Source: al-Jazeerah

The past 25 years of Hamas' existence have seen the Zionists and their Western benefactors hitting their heads against a brickwall. They are not succeeding in wiping out the Palestinians and taking the rest of their land and homes, and they are not getting the "peace" they thought they'd eventually get back when they first began dispossessing the Palestinians of their homes in 1948...

Some people like to keep banging their heads against brickwalls, others realise that it's gotta be done another way.

You seem like a bit of a headbanger to me Yadda.

The Muslims will _NEVER_ relinquish al-Quds nor one single dunum of the surrounding land...

You can either spend 100 years finding this out again (as your ancestors the Crusaders found out), or you can realise you made a mistake, and return the Zionists back to their homes in USA, UK, Lithuania, Russia etc. There are _NO_ other outcomes possible. 1.6 billion Muslims will make sure of it. Israel will _NEVER_ exist in Palestine in a normal state of affairs... it will always exist as a foreign cancer-like entity that will constantly be fought against. The pipe dream of the early 20th. century that they can establish themselves there and then "ride it out" until they get accepted ain't gonna happen, not now not ever.

Be a realist..

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2009 at 5:50pm:






CANDID MOSLEMS......HERE, EXPOSING THE MOSLEM CULTURE OF LYING, AND DECEPTION, WHEN 'ENGAGING' WITH THE NON-MOSLEM WORLD....

YOUTUBE....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr3-Vileiew



http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027035.php





AND, I JUST REMEMBERED THIS FURTHER YOUTUBE PRESENTATION,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc-7GK6F4RI





Yadda,   ......the 'head banger',    ....but grounded in reality.







+++++++++++iPsalms 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2  God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3  Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
4  Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
5  There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.
6  Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 28^th, 2009 at 2:47pm:


abu,

You can't see it, can you?

There are lessons to be learnt, by us, here [in the physical].

God has set these things [spiritual TRUTHS] before us, but for most of us, the world [the physical] beguiles us.

We are 'lost', in the world.


Dictionary,
beguile = = charm or enchant. Ø trick into doing something.

You'll see.

We all will.





abu,

ISLAM, has beguiled you.

Q.
Why is that?
Do you have a gaining in mind, in expectation?
Or are you truly sincere, devout?

A.
Only you yourself, know that answer.






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Right back at ya, abu!!!

hehe




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abu,

You must take this, your assertion, up with your 'brothers', who disagree with your position on this reality.

It is

they

, the ISLAMIC scholars,

it is they who insist

, that the Jewish Temples never existed.






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The 'West', the world, will abandon the state of Israel to its 'fate'.
....in fact this scenario is has been unfolding for several years.

Israel will smash a future [combined] moslem assault [i believe].

And then, the 'West', the world community [sponsored by the UN?], will decide to fight Israel [i believe], to relieve the enormity of moslem defeat [i believe].

We'll see.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 28^th, 2009 at 2:47pm:



abu,

I know that you do not see.



But i will explain.....

The Jews, the 'Zionists', are not special, the Jewish people are not especially spiritual, or faultless.

They are men and women,

like us

.

Exactly, like us.

The Jews were not chosen by God, because they were, or are, a special people, or because they have/had any special worthy characteristic.

But, the Jews [and the whole house of Israel]

are special

, because they

were chosen

, by God, to be an example to man.

That is/was their 'work'.

And willingly, or unwillingly, the Jewish people were selected, by God, to suffer, and to be blamed.

The Jewish people, were selected, by God, to be a group of 'scapegoats', among men.






Deuteronomy 4:27
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.


Deuteronomy 28:37
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.


Deuteronomy 28:65
And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:


Why?

Because, God has his purpose, for all mankind.

And we, including the Jewish people, are but his 'clay', to form us, and use us as he will.

If you think that is unjust, read the Bible, these things are explained.






But, the Jewish people are a blessed people, BECAUSE THEY BEAR THE BURDEN OF BEING GOD'S WORKMEN AMONG MANKIND.


Deuteronomy 30:1
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
2  And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3  That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
4  If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5  And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.




Men are dumb,
.....but our God is wise, and just, and righteous!!



Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2  And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
......
8  And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 28^th, 2009 at 5:29pm:


Believe that if you must.

And i know that you must.






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Well, i'm glad that your 'brothers' can find joy, in that, at least.       






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abu,

I have explained my position, on my belief in God.

But believe that [above], if you must.

And i know that you must.






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abu,

Believe that if you must.

And i know that you must.




"Islam - a religion of War"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247682446/4#4







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Proverbs 1:22
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23  Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
24  Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25  But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26  I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27  When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28  Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29  For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30  They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31  Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
32  For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.


Proverbs 8:32
Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33  Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34  Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35  For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36  But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


John 3:4
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9  Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10  Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11  Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12  If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?