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Reply #135 - Jul 17^th, 2009 at 9:45am

tallowood wrote on Jul 17^th, 2009 at 9:32am:

muso wrote on Jul 17^th, 2009 at 8:02am:

tallowood wrote on Jul 16^th, 2009 at 11:41pm:

Sometimes it cool and other times it hot. "Don't worry and enjoy your life"

Tallowood,
Don't worry, and enjoy your cocoa. If it's cool sometimes, you can always heat it up in the microwave Wink

Muso, it isn't I who is peddling message of environmental doom and gloom Wink

It isn't me either. Things are starting to move. I am starting to feel more optimistic about the future. I reckon that even China will be pumping out mass produced Electric cars and thermosolar arrays before too long.

It's too good a commercial opportunity to miss.

With a bit of luck, the world will address this issue in 30 years, by which time the denialists will be long dead, and the new Energy Companies (former Oil Companies) will be able to breath easy and take what they see as their rightful places as controllers of world energy.

The confusionalists only have a purpose at this particular juncture - to make sure that it all doesn't happen too quickly. The new technology will be born, but the confusionalists are necessary to provide anaesthesia for Society, so that there are are no birth pains .

Personally I prefer to keep my eyes open through all the pain. I like to know what's going on.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 9562 Gender:	Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth Reply #136 - Jul 17^th, 2009 at 10:11am muso wrote on Jul 17^th, 2009 at 9:45am: ... I reckon that even China will be pumping out mass produced Electric cars and thermosolar arrays before too long. ... Chinese batteries don't hold charge but we still have plenty of coal so "Don't worry and enjoy your life".
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Reply #137 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 8:50am

I am not a denialist Mozzaok or Muso, but I’m not convinced that we can change the temperature by paying higher taxes to support the fossil fuel industry. If the govt. pumped the same amount of money into renewables – we wouldn’t have to pollute our water systems with toxins from our coal industry for a start. Every few months a new coal mine is opened up in one of our remaining few pristine areas and always on top of a water basin or beside a river.

At times I have found Grendel’s references a bit dodgy (and told him) and used other resources until I’ve found information that makes sense.

Regardless of whatever team is right – I agree we have to act now finding alternatives for future sustainability - not necessarily in regard to weather – but food, water and secure housing. Governments are only pretending to act. Man made global warming is the wrong sales pitch because there are too many holes in it and ultimately all paths lead back to the multinationals.

Scientists on both sides of the political sphere can’t be trusted completely as they serve their masters and they’ll say whatever they have to. They’re all employed or funded by a government organisation or corporation.

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Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth
Reply #138 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 9:42am

mantra wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 8:50am:

Scientists on both sides of the political sphere can’t be trusted completely as they serve their masters and they’ll say whatever they have to. They’re all employed or funded by a government organisation or corporation.

You don't know scientists Mantra. They are not sheep Grin

I haven't met any that I could describe as 'subservient' yet.

What about me? Do you reckon I'd just fall into line with the official line? I work for a company that depends on coal mining. I should be pushing the denialist lie perhaps?

I'd be about as typically obstinate as most scientists.

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Reply #139 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 10:13am

I'll have to be honest Muso - that graph you posted recently in the "Frost in the morning" thread - it made no sense whatsoever. I don't mean to be insulting - but if that's any indication of "proof" of man-made global warming - it was very ineffective.

You may not fall in with the official line, but you still aren't presenting your case clearly and I'm sorry if that sounds offensive (it's not meant to be) - it's just the way I see it.

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Reply #140 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 11:36am

mantra wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 10:13am:

I'll have to be honest Muso - that graph you posted recently in the "Frost in the morning" thread - it made no sense whatsoever. I don't mean to be insulting - but if that's any indication of "proof" of man-made global warming - it was very ineffective.

You may not fall in with the official line, but you still aren't presenting your case clearly and I'm sorry if that sounds offensive (it's not meant to be) - it's just the way I see it.

I've worked in the Chemical Industry for the last 19 years. My qualifications are in Chemistry, Environmental Science and Business in order of degrees conferred. At one stage part of my responsibility was Radiation Safety Officer in reponse to your NP question. I also act as an advisor to Qld Emergency Services in the event of hazardous chemical (Hazmat) accidents and I serve on various committees regarding emergency management and counter terrorism. I think that's as many details as I want to disclose.

I don't know which graph you mean, but I thank you and accept your constructive criticism. I'll try to explain everything clearly to you i simple terms, but not today. I have a higher priority LOL - (The latest Harry Potter movie.)

It's not always easy if people are cutting and pasting material they see elsewhere and requiring immediate responses to questions that have been answered many times before. Maybe I could use a locked thread and we could comment on a different thread.

Al Gore is just a front - a pretty good presenter, but he's not a climate scientist. An attack on Al Gore is about as significant as an attck on the news reader for a news story you think is incorrect.

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Reply #141 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 3:52pm

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I've worked in the Chemical Industry for the last 19 years. My qualifications are in Chemistry, Environmental Science and Business in order of degrees conferred. At one stage part of my responsibility was Radiation Safety Officer in reponse to your NP question. I also act as an advisor to Qld Emergency Services in the event of hazardous chemical (Hazmat) accidents and I serve on various committees regarding emergency management and counter terrorism. I think that's as many details as I want to disclose.

Those are pretty impressive qualifications muso, they've stop boofy in his tracks I see, its not like him to not be posting here ad nauseum.

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Reply #142 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 4:00pm

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I've worked in the Chemical Industry for the last 19 years. My qualifications are in Chemistry, Environmental Science and Business in order of degrees conferred. At one stage part of my responsibility was Radiation Safety Officer in reponse to your NP question. I also act as an advisor to Qld Emergency Services in the event of hazardous chemical (Hazmat) accidents and I serve on various committees regarding emergency management and counter terrorism. I think that's as many details as I want to disclose.

Those are pretty impressive qualifications muso, they've stop boofy in his tracks I see, its not like him to not be posting here ad nauseum.

I didn't mean to brag. Everybody is welcome to post here. I was responding to Mantra's original question, although I can't find it now.

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skippy Ex Member	Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth Reply #143 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 4:06pm Quote: I didn't mean to brag. Everybody is welcome to post here. Oh I didn't think you were bragging muso, I"m glad at least somebody here has some idea about what they are posting.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth Reply #144 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 4:17pm Doesn't impress me... nice flames BTW... I was ignoring them. I just can't be bothered to post to lying hypocrites anymore.
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Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth
Reply #145 - Jul 18^th, 2009 at 4:37pm

muso wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 11:36am:

mantra wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 10:13am:

I'll have to be honest Muso - that graph you posted recently in the "Frost in the morning" thread - it made no sense whatsoever. I don't mean to be insulting - but if that's any indication of "proof" of man-made global warming - it was very ineffective.

You may not fall in with the official line, but you still aren't presenting your case clearly and I'm sorry if that sounds offensive (it's not meant to be) - it's just the way I see it.

I've worked in the Chemical Industry for the last 19 years. My qualifications are in Chemistry, Environmental Science and Business in order of degrees conferred. At one stage part of my responsibility was Radiation Safety Officer in reponse to your NP question. I also act as an advisor to Qld Emergency Services in the event of hazardous chemical (Hazmat) accidents and I serve on various committees regarding emergency management and counter terrorism. I think that's as many details as I want to disclose.

I don't know which graph you mean, but I thank you and accept your constructive criticism. I'll try to explain everything clearly to you i simple terms, but not today. I have a higher priority LOL - (The latest Harry Potter movie.)

It's not always easy if people are cutting and pasting material they see elsewhere and requiring immediate responses to questions that have been answered many times before. Maybe I could use a locked thread and we could comment on a different thread.

Al Gore is just a front - a pretty good presenter, but he's not a climate scientist. An attack on Al Gore is about as significant as an attck on the news reader for a news story you think is incorrect.

Yes I know Muso - you are very qualified and I didn't mean to question your judgement. I just have difficulty absorbing some of the information that so many people supply. A lot of it doesn't make sense - but that is my fault not yours.

That's why I have to sit in the middle on this subject.

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Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth
Reply #146 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 10:28am

Lol... mantra... Bozo's a Chemist who worked as an RSO... puhlease no deference required.

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The global temperature has been rising at a steady trend rate of 0.5°C per century since the end of the little ice age in the 1700s (when the Thames River would freeze over every winter; the last time it froze over was 1804). On top of the trend are oscillations that last about thirty years in each direction:

1882 – 1910 Cooling
1910 – 1944 Warming
1944 – 1975 Cooling
1975 – 2001 Warming

In 2009 we are where the green arrow points, with temperature leveling off. The pattern suggests that the world has entered a period of slight cooling until about 2030.

There was a cooling scare in the early 1970s at the end of the last cooling phase. The current global warming alarm is based on the last warming oscillation, from 1975 to 2001. The IPCC predictions simply extrapolated the last warming as if it would last forever, a textbook case of alarmism. However the last warming period ended after the usual thirty years or so, and the global temperature is now definitely tracking below the IPCC predictions.

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Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth
Reply #147 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 11:56am

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 10:28am:

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The IPCC predictions simply extrapolated the last warming as if it would last forever

Incorrect statement. I won't ask you to provide evidence, because there is none. IPCC predictions, assuming your idol/partner in crime means AR4, were determined on a scenario basis. There were a number of possible scenarios.

How could you determine a number of outcomes based on simple extrapolation?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth Reply #148 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 12:14pm Where's the yawn emoticon?
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: "Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth Reply #149 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 12:35pm Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 12:14pm: Where's the yawn emoticon? I know that you find the truth boring. Confusionalists are so much more - captivating and...sexy , and they always manage to explain everything in non-technical and non-threatening ways that don't get you all upset.
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