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"Global Cooling in the 70's" Myth
Jul 12th, 2009 at 10:38am
 
I am sick to death of blatant lies from denialists, they are flat out wrongheaded.
The one about the global cooling hysteria from 40 years ago is just utter BULLSH1T.
I was environmentally and politically aware 40 yeaars ago, and global cooling was NEVER an issue, got it?

That does not mean some few people may not have spoken about it, but that nobody ever considered it a problem that required the attention of governments and the worldwide community, like we see now with Global Warming, and to compare the two as being even remotely similiar is misrepresenting the reality of what happened then, and what is happening now.
But misrepresentation are what these eejits do best.
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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 10:48am
 
Maybe you were in your Hippy phase then Mozz and you just don't remember much of that period.  I suggest you google global cooling and stop being ignorant and a denialist.  Oh and maybe your quoting of 40 years is a bit out eh?  Wouldn't want you misrepresenting people now would we.
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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 11:06am
 
mozzaok wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 10:38am:
I am sick to death of blatant lies from denialists, they are flat out wrongheaded.
The one about the global cooling hysteria from 40 years ago is just utter BULLSH1T.
I was environmentally and politically aware 40 yeaars ago, and global cooling was NEVER an issue, got it?

That does not mean some few people may not have spoken about it, but that nobody ever considered it a problem that required the attention of governments and the worldwide community, like we see now with Global Warming, and to compare the two as being even remotely similiar is misrepresenting the reality of what happened then, and what is happening now.
But misrepresentation are what these eejits do best.


Mozz is right, my memory of those years are very long summers, so to use the same analogy as the confusionalists use today, it was hot and sunny in those days, so global cooling is just a confusionalist beat up.
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 11:06am
 
mozzaok wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 10:38am:
I am sick to death of blatant lies from denialists, they are flat out wrongheaded.
The one about the global cooling hysteria from 40 years ago is just utter BULLSH1T.
I was environmentally and politically aware 40 yeaars ago, and global cooling was NEVER an issue, got it?

That does not mean some few people may not have spoken about it, but that nobody ever considered it a problem that required the attention of governments and the worldwide community, like we see now with Global Warming, and to compare the two as being even remotely similiar is misrepresenting the reality of what happened then, and what is happening now.
But misrepresentation are what these eejits do best.



40 years ago you had the commies to side with as a way of sticking it to the cigar chomping oppressors.  And Muso's exaples are about alternative energy sources - and those have been seriously on the agenda since the oil crisis in the 70s, the same period when global cooling was the accepted science.  You will not be surprised that I am all for sensible alternative energy sources (not bio fueld because that takes away valuable agricultural areas from food production.)

Which right wing retard said this (the last word should be a dead giveaway):

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America's dependence on oil is one of the most serious threats that our nation has faced. It bankrolls dictators, pays for nuclear proliferation and funds both sides of our struggle against terrorism. It puts the American people at the mercy of shifting gas prices, stifles innovation, and sets back our ability to compete.
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It falls on us to choose whether to risk the peril that comes with our current course or to seize the promise of energy independence. And for the sake of our security, our economy and our planet, we must have the courage and commitment to change.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012601147....

Note the order of importance: security, economy, planet. So yes, let's have energy indepencence from the Arabs, the Russians, Nigerians, Venezuelans - the whole third world rougues galery. That is what it is really about. The planet saving stuff is added to butter up the environmentalists who would not go along with energy independence just on strategic and economic grounds. Giving the finger to third world blackmailing monsters would be far too insensitive for them. SO they are given the save the whales, er, planet sop.








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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 11:13am
 
Exactly.

Don't take our word for it...
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Concern peaked in the early 1970s, partly because of the cooling trend then apparent (a cooling period began in 1945, and two decades of a cooling trend suggested a trough had been reached after several decades of warming), and partly because much less was then known about world climate and causes of ice ages.


Now we have just gone through a warming trend...  oh dear...

Seems you and Skippy have faulty memories Mozz... ok you were a Hippy then, that explains you at least.
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:11pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 11:06am:
 You will not be surprised that I am all for sensible alternative energy sources (not bio fueld because that takes away valuable agricultural areas from food production.)



Good.

We have some common ground then. Actually if you don't have a problem with switching to alternative energy sources, I don't see that we even have an argument, because a significant transition to alternative energy will fix the problem of CO2 pollution. 

It really doesn't matter if you don't grasp the concept of global warming as long as you support the same solution.

Some biofuel is extremely viable, especially Sweet Sorghum and Jatropha. Both of these can be grown in semi arid areas with very little agricultural value. The use of corn for ethanol in the USA is problematic. The use of rapeseed oil is not ideal for the reasons you cite.
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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:18pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 11:13am:
Exactly.

Don't take our word for it...
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Concern peaked in the early 1970s, partly because of the cooling trend then apparent (a cooling period began in 1945, and two decades of a cooling trend suggested a trough had been reached after several decades of warming), and partly because much less was then known about world climate and causes of ice ages.


Now we have just gone through a warming trend...  oh dear...

Seems you and Skippy have faulty memories Mozz... ok you were a Hippy then, that explains you at least.


Haha - it's been a while since you brought up this particular gem. I wondered when we'd see it come through the recycler again.

The supposed “global cooling” consensus among scientists in the 1970s — frequently offered by global-warming skeptics as proof that climatologists can’t make up their minds — is a myth, according to a survey of the scientific literature of the era….

But Thomas Peterson of the National Climatic Data Center surveyed dozens of peer-reviewed scientific articles from 1965 to 1979 and found that only seven supported global cooling, while 44 predicted warming.....
http://climateprogress.org/2008/02/22/another-denier-talking-point-global-coolin...


You'll love this clip, if only for the music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nTw0KneNLg

For the faithful, don't watch that - the facts will just upset you. See my disclaimer below------v    Grin
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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:30pm
 
ROTFLMAO...  oh dear more misrepresentation eh  how unusual.

I don't recall anyone saying there was SCIENTIFIC "CONCENSUS" Bozo.

Just that the Green Movement and others pushed a scare campaign based on Global Cooling in the 70s.

Concern peaked in the early 1970s, partly because of the cooling trend then apparent (a cooling period began in 1945, and two decades of a cooling trend suggested a trough had been reached after several decades of warming), and partly because much less was then known about world climate and causes of ice ages.


I didn't say it, the quote doesn't say it ...  not even Mozz says it...  if you want to lie puhlease do try and at least quote people correctly.

Go build your Snowmen somewhere else eh.  Oh sorry meant STRAWMEN...  hmmmm...  must be the cold.  Grin
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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:39pm
 
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But Thomas Peterson of the National Climatic Data Center surveyed dozens of peer-reviewed scientific articles from 1965 to 1979 and found that only seven supported global cooling, while 44 predicted warming

As if   someone from the National Climatic Data Center would know more about climate than boofy, please muso, show some respect for the boofster.

Next thing you'll be telling us that the National Climatic Data center collects data on such things.
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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:50pm
 
Oh look...  its Tweedledumber.
Flame away Bozo number 2, we know you have no self control.
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Reply #10 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 2:01pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:50pm:
Oh look...  its Tweedledumber.
Flame away Bozo number 2, we know you have no self control.


Abuse away boofy, I'm used to it from the uninformed . Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 2:49pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:30pm:
I don't recall anyone saying there was SCIENTIFIC "CONCENSUS"


Good! At least you acknowledge that there was never any consensus of global cooling unlike the last time you posted on this issue. I might actually be getting through to you.  Grin

As the references say, it was just after all, a misrepresentation in the popular press.

So what's all the fuss about? The popular press having concerns? Who cares? Why mention it at all?

The main thing is that we have known about te Greenhouse effect and the potential for global warming since the time of Arrhenius.

Grendel - you do know what caused the cooling period around the 40's to the 60's now, don't you?
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Reply #12 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 4:16pm
 
Love your disclaimer muso, very apt. lmbfao

And for Grendel, the whole point of my addressing the lies told about the perception of Global Cooling from the '70s as a critical issue that the world need address is just plain untrue.

It was not even something that came to the attention of the aussie media at the time, and if you asked any aussies in the 50 or over group what they remember of the Global Cooling Crisis, there response would be , WHAT??
Even if a very few who were more familiar with US media of the time would remember it, it would be as only a minor story that did not gain much attention from the people, or governments of the period, and no mass movements sprang from the information.

So why do we bring it up?
We don't, DENIALISTS do.
Why?
Because they seek to create the belief that hysterical speculation is the norm for scientists, and a past theory which is proved wrong will therefore reduce the credibility of all scientists in general, and climate scientists in particular.

Some commentators lurch from one doomsday scenario to the next, and media always give them at least some credence, but never in my lifetime have we seen a coming together of disparate groups from all parts of the globe, and all sections of the community, to address an issue more comprehensively reviewed than this issue of Global Warming.
We have never seen the level of cooperation and committment by governments on any other issue.
We have never seen greater scientific concensus.

But we still have spoilers who "know" in their hearts, that it is all a giant conspiracy to enrich scientific researchers by creating a cooperative cabal of liiars on a level never known before.
Of course, that makes much more sense. Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 4:34pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 1:30pm:
Just that the Green Movement and others pushed a scare campaign based on Global Cooling in the 70s.


The Green movement and ...others? Specifically who in the "Green Movement" are we talking about here, Grendel?

Come on now - produce this information or forever hold your peace.

I am pretty sure I know everything there is to know about this particular issue, so fire away.  Grin

You can quit here if you like or get yourself deeper into it - suit yourself.  Grin
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Reply #14 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 4:41pm
 
One of the forums other confusionalists said the same thing yesterday maybe boof is just copying them.

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You can quit here if you like or get deeper into it - suit yourself.

Its my bet that he is already in his togs on the diving board.


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