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Reply #15 - Jun 27th, 2009 at 8:05pm
 

For starters I would love to see no face covering in France and every other non-muslim country.

Our women have to observe their rules and cover head or face in their countries, so no cover in our countries full stop.
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Reply #16 - Jun 28th, 2009 at 5:57pm
 
If our women were forced to eat meat pies in their country, would it make sense to forbid them from eating meat pies here?
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Reply #17 - Jun 28th, 2009 at 8:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2009 at 5:57pm:
If our women were forced to eat meat pies in their country, would it make sense to forbid them from eating meat pies here?


If you've got a face like a dropped pie, would it make sense to still drink beer?

And no, I don't drink beer.
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #18 - Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:28am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 10:38pm:
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I can certainly see the validity of the point you are making FD, but as someone who dislikes ostentatious displays of faith, I come at it from the slightly different tack, of seeing it as a step which may help to liberalise a culture which seems unwilling to make any concessions to the modern world, or where they can change to better fit in it.


That doesn't make sense. How is denying women the right to wear what they choose 'liberalising'? Wouldn't liberalising involve ensuring that they had a real choice? When have people ever succeeded in freeing their fellow man by forcing them to choose what they choose?

Also, how is your dislike for their 'displays' relevant? To me it just indicates that liberalisation is not really your motive - rather it is to take away their right to do something you might not like.

And why do you see their choice of clothing as more of an outward display than clothing that displays flesh? Wouldn't it be less of a display by most reasonable measures? After all, that is the point of a burqua. It was never intended to be a display targetted at non-Muslims.  The fact that you see it as a display targetted at you indicates an inability to see the issue from another person's perspective.

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There is also the fact that people can be oppressed, without actually realising it


You mean like people who think that being denied the choice of what to wear is liberalising, provided that only people who dress differently from them are forced to change?

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and the mere fact of not shoving your differences down everybodies throats


If a muslim woman tries to shove her burqua down your throat, you can get her arrested for assault. If you are merely speaking figuratively, then you are again misunderstanding what liberty means and failing to see the issue from another person's perspective. The mere act of wearing something that you interpret as a symbol you dislike does not represent any actual harm to you. Surely a person's freedom to choose is far more important than you disliking the symbolism of their choice?

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At the end of the day, it is nothing more than a uniform, which is ordered on them by a patriarchal political religion


So you cannot accept that some women may choose to wear a burqua of their own accord? Or because of some other form of patriarchal tyranny?

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so to say it is unfair to have a political decision on what they wear is wrong, would have to include the muslim rule that forces it on them in the first place.


Of course it would. That is the crucial difference. That would be protecting their right to choose what to wear. That's what liberty is. You cannot liberate a person by telling them what to choose. You can only do it by giving them a choice. It's a lot harder to do than simply order them about, and you may not like the choices they make, but that is the price of true freedom.



Your silliness is exposed and explained here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48

I could not put it better.
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Reply #19 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 7:28pm
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 4:33pm
 

Good on you france.
Keep the tour de france and champagne, ban what is not french ........

[quote][Muslim women who wear the full Islamic veil in France will face a possible 750 euros ($A1175) fine, according to a draft bill unveiled on Thursday by the leader of the parliamentary majority.

Jean-Francois Cope, who heads the governing UMP party in the National Assembly, told Le Figaro newspaper's weekly magazine that men who force their wives to wear the burqa or niqab could face an even heavier fine.

"The law will address an issue of security," Cope said in an interview with the magazine.

"The proposed measure would prohibit the covering of the face in public places and on the streets, with the exception of special cultural events or carnivals."

The draft legislation will be presented in the next two weeks and should come up for debate in parliament after the March regional elections, he said.

The majority leader, who is also openly campaigning to succeed President Nicolas Sarkozy as the right-wing candidate for the presidency in 2017, said the burqa must be banned to defend women's rights.

"We can measure the modernity of a society by the way it treats and respects women," he said.

France's political establishment is divided on whether to ban the burqa, with the opposition Socialists this week saying that it opposed a law even though Muslim women must be discouraged from wearing the full veil.

The burqa debate has heated up ahead of the release at the end of the month of a much-awaited report by a parliamentary panel that has conducted six months of hearings on the issue.

Many politicians from the left and right have cautioned that a draconian law banning the head-to-toe veil would be difficult to enforce and probably face a challenge in the European rights court.

Sarkozy himself has said that the burqa is not welcome in France but has not stated publicly whether legislation should be enacted.

Critics argue that a specific law enacted to ban the full veil would be tantamount to using a sledgehammer to swat a fly. Only 1,900 women wear the full veil in France, according to the interior ministry.

In the interview, Cope argued that a law would act as a deterrent by sending a "clear message" that France will not allow women to fully cover themselves.
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/french-move-to-fine-women-for-wearing-burqa-20100108...
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Reply #21 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 7:58pm
 
What about gorilla suits and bear suits? Are they also going to be outlawed in France because they demean the people who have to wear them?
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Reply #22 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:49pm
 
Go France, drag those backward mohammedans kicking and screaming into the 11th century.

400 years down, a thousand to go.
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Reply #23 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 10:24pm
 
Mozza,

As soren mentioned earlier in this thread, would you like being forced to walk around in nothing but a penis-sheath if you visited PNG??

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Wearing less clothes is not a sign of civility, even though it might appear so to primitive hedonists such as yourself. In fact quite the opposite seems to be true. The more civilised the society, the more they cover. Off with you to PNG.
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Reply #24 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 10:59pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 8th, 2010 at 10:24pm:
Wearing less clothes is not a sign of civility, even though it might appear so to primitive hedonists such as yourself. In fact quite the opposite seems to be true. The more civilised the society, the more they cover. Off with you to PNG.



Good one. Those burqa wearing illiterates in Afghanstan must be then the most civilised people on Earth. Bravo!


How come you are not covering yourself up completely? Instant civilisation!
Or are you special ed?

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Reply #25 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 8:28am
 
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Wearing less clothes is not a sign of civility, even though it might appear so to primitive hedonists such as yourself. In fact quite the opposite seems to be true. The more civilised the society, the more they cover. Off with you to PNG.


Yeah and the warmer you are, the more cozy you feel. So throw yourself upon the burning coals and you will be the coziest.

What a great sense of logic you have there Abu.

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Reply #26 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 9:28am
 
If he weren't a muslim I would have put that last statement from Abu down to too many late night beverages.

Here was the rest of the world thinking that clothing was adapted to make us the most comfortable in our environment, when really it is an indicator of how civilised we are, and I thought those tents dresses were just to keep the sand out, because we all know how uncomfortable sand can be when it gets to the moister regions.
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Reply #27 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 6:52pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 9:28am:
If he weren't a muslim I would have put that last statement from Abu down to too many late night beverages.





But because he is a Musulman, his mind is wobbly and intoxicated, 24/7,  as if he has had a few bevvies.
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