Quote:It is a bit of a chicken and egg scenario isn't it?
Not really. The atrocious U.S foreign policy towards the Muslims existed in a vacuum for decades before any real Islamist movement rose to oppose it. The Islamist movements never gained any serious traction until the mid to late 80's... by that time the U.S had already engaged in 30-40 long years of meddling in the Muslim world and support of occupations and tyrannic dictators, and the British had preceded her in that for decades more before that.
Mozza, it really appears like you have very little idea about what's going on in this conflict, since you regularly just try and apply stock standard "pre-fab" arguments to it, which you've probably heard about other conflicts, and think to yourself "well it sort of fits here".
Come on... chicken and egg scenario??? Only someone with zero knowledge about the situation could come up with an analysis like that.
Quote:Unfortunately the insurgents chose to use religion as a cornerstone of their cause, and claim a divine backing for their plans, and that is extremely problematic for me
Unfortunately for the U.S yes.. since it's going to mean it becomes global, and it's going to mean they have extremely strong resolve to unite and resist.
Quote:because I see people who may not agree at all with these insurgents, or their tactics, as claiing solidarity with them, because of their shared Islamic religion, and that just turns people against each other unnecessarily.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said about the Muslim Ummah (nation):
"Their lands are one, their war is one and their peace is one" (Report by Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal) It would really pay to think deeply about this concept. You might think it's idealistic, you might think it's just religious dogma, you might think it's irrelevant, but it's not, it is central to understanding this conflict, and to predicting how it's going to play out.
Why would Muslims not agree with their fellow Muslims about expelling an invader from their land? The U.S is the one who defined the terms of this conflict actually. Invading Iraq has gotta be the stupidest mistake they've ever made. If they contained it to Afghanistan, they may have had some chance of achieving their aims, but expanding it to Iraq just made it plainly clear to the bulk of the Muslims that this was a war on Islam.
In essence you might not like that the religious grouping is how this war is defined, but that just means you're trying to deny the inherent qualities of the other side. Denial is not healthy for anyone.
Quote:I can like americans, and respect the great elements within it's society, and still be critical of the elements within that behave badly, but muslims are bound by this ridiculous code of conduct where they accept even the worst crimes committed by frllow muslims, as being validated because it is all part of their struggle.
Well aren't you one mightily enlightened soul.
Quote:I can like muslims, but not Islamist fanaticism, I just wish more muslims would try and separate these two ideas because Islam would be a much more acceptable religion without the violent fanatics.
Whilst the U.S is occupying Muslim lands, supporting terrorist occupations and tyrannical regimes, don't expect to see such a separation too soon.
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