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Reply #15 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 9:50pm
 
soren I think deep down you're fully aware this isn't about Islam, it's about an oppressed and besieged people who are weaker and bullied, and sometimes when in a position of power over their aggressors, they can snap. I'm sure some minorities under Islamic rule probably did similar things throughout the time of Islam's rule of the world, like Christian soldiers in al-Andalus... It's not something unique or specific to Islam, but merely to the position Muslims happen to occupy in the world today.

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But non-Mohammedans do not go over the 'edge'. And even if they did, it would not be in the form of killing their comrades.


As far as I remember Sergeant John M. Russell who went on a similar killing spree, killing 5 of his comrades in Iraq earlier this year was not a Muslim convert was he?

As usual, you speak nothing but utter bovine faeces.
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Reply #16 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 10:02pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 7th, 2009 at 9:50pm:
soren I think deep down you're fully aware this isn't about Islam, it's about an oppressed and besieged people who are weaker and bullied, and sometimes when in a position of power over their aggressors, they can snap. I'm sure some minorities under Islamic rule probably did similar things throughout the time of Islam's rule of the world, like Christian soldiers in al-Andalus... It's not something unique or specific to Islam, but merely to the position Muslims happen to occupy in the world today.

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But non-Mohammedans do not go over the 'edge'. And even if they did, it would not be in the form of killing their comrades.


As far as I remember Sergeant John M. Russell who went on a similar killing spree, killing 5 of his comrades in Iraq earlier this year was not a Muslim convert was he?

As usual, you speak nothing but utter bovine faeces.



Russell was not shouting 'Allahu Akhbar' either. There's an important differentiatiation right there, noticed by all, even you.


You know full well that the moment a Muslim monster, no matter how mentally ill he may be, utters the magic words 'Allahu Akhbar' while murdering kaffir is all sane and serene and doing Allan's work as far as you are concerned and all is forgiven him.


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Reply #17 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 10:07pm
 
You just said they don't kill comrades.

Can't you just concede you're a dolt who rarely gets it right.. for once? Always has to be the persistent arrogant denials. If you meant they don't kill their comrades whilst saying "Allahu Akbar" then make that your argument from the outset. Certainly would prevent you looking like a sore loser so often.
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Reply #18 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 10:32pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 7th, 2009 at 10:07pm:
You just said they don't kill comrades.

Can't you just concede you're a dolt who rarely gets it right.. for once? Always has to be the persistent arrogant denials. If you meant they don't kill their comrades whilst saying "Allahu Akbar" then make that your argument from the outset. Certainly would prevent you looking like a sore loser so often.


Soren - Sore loser - is that the limit of your wit?


Slice it and dice it all you like - islam is in the news every day with a fresh horror, commited in its name.  A soldier killing his comrades out of religious motivations is insane or evil. A soldier shouting 'Jesus is Lord; or 'Dawkins is Lord' is a smacking lunatic.

But when a soldier is shouting 'allahu akhbar' while killing his comrades -  you call that extreme provocation. You can't bring yourself to condemning anybody shouting 'allahu akhbar', no matter how smacking insane or evil he is.

And that what makes you so bloody foreign - and I don't give a sh!te where you were born. In your heard, you are dreaming of Araby circa 632 AD. You will arse-cover for the sons of Allan because Islam tells you not to side with the kaffir against the brovvers, no matter what.





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Reply #19 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 11:30pm
 
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Seven killed in 'Nato air strike'
breaking news

At least seven members of the Afghan security forces have been killed in a Nato air strike, the Afghan defence ministry says.

It said Nato and the Afghan authorities are investigating the incident which took place in western Badghis province on Friday.

Reports say four Afghan soldiers and three policemen were killed.

There has been no word from Nato forces so far on whether an air strike has taken place.
(ie. Do we really have to admit we're an absolute pack of losers who just bombed our own 'friendlies' to smithereens)


An Afghan Defence Ministry spokesman, Gen Mohammad Zahir Azimi, said an army commando unit, district police members and a number of foreign forces were in a base housing coalition troops and Afghan forces when the Nato air strike occurred.

News of the incident came as Nato said that more than 25 Nato and Afghan troops had been wounded during a search on Friday for two US paratroopers missing in north-west Afghanistan.


Don't even know why that Palestinian guy wasted his time. Give them enough guns and let the gung-ho fools kill each other  Grin

Perhaps the Christian NATO forces were yelling "Hallelujah" as they slaughtered their comrades... guess we'll never know will we   Tongue
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Reply #20 - Nov 8th, 2009 at 11:22am
 
On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting, "Allahu akbar!" ("God is great!") committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Fort Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of nondenominational shoplifting.

This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it's an act of terror. Period.

When the terrorist posts anti-American hate speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as "Palestinian" in a Muslim spouse-matching program and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit -- well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an "Islamist terrorist."

But the president won't. Despite his promise to get to all the facts. Because there's no such thing as "Islamist terrorism" in ObamaWorld.

And the Army won't. Because its senior leaders are so sick with political correctness that pandering to America haters is safer than calling terrorism "terrorism."

And the media won't. Because they have more interest in the shooter than in our troops -- despite their crocodile tears.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan planned this terrorist attack and executed it in cold blood. The resulting massacre was the first tragedy. The second was that he wasn't killed on the spot.

Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills. Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming "harassment" drove him temporarily insane. There'll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn't dare pursue or carry out the death penalty.

Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here. While US Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately. And he'll have the last laugh.

But Hasan isn't the sole guilty party. The US Army's unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Fort Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it's appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would've been gone with the simoom. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. At least 38 people were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don't roll in this maggot's chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There's another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist wacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who've been assigned to his care? And he's not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I'm ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.

Get ready for the apologias. We've already heard from the terrorist's family that "he's a good American." In their world, maybe he is.

But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense?

A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she's becoming too Westernized.

Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we're assured that "Islam's a religion of peace."

I guarantee you that the Obama administration's nonresponse to the Fort Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/call_this_horror_by_its_name_islamist_HT78Wt6NkWoCGq5HIOwlII#ixzz0WE7CVDM9
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Reply #21 - Nov 8th, 2009 at 12:22pm
 
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And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Fort Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of nondenominational shoplifting.


It's not out of political correctness, they just don't want to admit they got infiltrated by 'terrorists'. They also don't want the 3500+ other Muslim soldiers in the U.S armed forces who help them "win the hearts and minds" on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan to get cold feet and bail.
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Reply #22 - Nov 8th, 2009 at 5:32pm
 
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You know full well that the moment a Muslim monster, no matter how mentally ill he may be, utters the magic words 'Allahu Akhbar' while murdering kaffir is all sane and serene and doing Allan's work as far as you are concerned and all is forgiven him


Well according to his non-Muslim neighbours he was not quite the kafir-hater you're making him out to be.

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Next-door neighbours Jacqueline Harris, 44, and her boyfriend, Willie Bell, said Hasan called Thursday at 5 a.m. and left a goodbye message. Bell said Hasan bid farewell, saying, "Nice knowing you, old friend. I'm going to miss you."
(CBC)

Seems his beef was purely with soldiers, if that was his motive anyway, we don't know for sure yet.

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Reply #23 - Nov 8th, 2009 at 8:25pm
 
abu - you and your islamic mates can bugger off out of aussie.

watch today/tonight , channel 7 monday night.
its about "enclaves"  muslims

and how us aussies don't like you or your kind.

up yours and bugger off you paedophile praising inbiciles
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Reply #24 - Nov 9th, 2009 at 10:40pm
 
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Every non-muslim soldier who, standing next to a fellow soldier of Muslim faith, has asked himself, 'can I trust this fellow?' has now had his answer.

Every family member of every non-muslim soldier who asked, 'can I trust my son's and daughter's  Muslim comrades in the military?' has now had his or her answer.

Every other person working with muslims in a job where you have to trust the fellow next to you had his answer to the question 'can I trust this guy?'.

There is no paranoid, unfounded 'islamophobia'. As those dead and wounded will attest, the phobia is not irrational or unfounded at all. Never has been.




CHRISTIAN Democrat MP Fred Nile has warned of the risks of allowing Muslims to serve in Australia's armed forces.
The Rev Nile says last week's killing spree in the United States in which an army officer shot dead 13 people should cause "all associated with the free world's military forces to feel serious concern".

The NSW MP and former army officer said the Australian Defence Force could already harbour Muslim personnel who may be a threat to their comrades in arms.

"Australians would like to be assured that our defence forces have in place a system of assessment and review which would identify any person whose adherence to any alien ideology might one day override loyalty to mates and loyalty to the Crown," Mr Nile said.

"There is an argument for suggesting that the safety and morale of our troops may warrant a ban on dedicated Muslims joining the armed forces, who may be influenced by Islamic fundamentalism."


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Reply #25 - Nov 9th, 2009 at 11:36pm
 
Probably have to agree with Fred here, Muslims should be banned from the armed forces of Australia. Good call Fred.

So should dedicated Christians too. Some have already stood up and said they put their God before their country and military, so probably safer as well to exclude them.
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Reply #26 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 12:04am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 9th, 2009 at 11:36pm:
So should dedicated Christians too. Some have already stood up and said they put their God before their country and military, so probably safer as well to exclude them.



The issue here is shooting their comrades, pinhead. Christians who put their god before their military duty are called pacifists and consciencious objectors. Can you tell the difference between these two concepts and a jihadi terrorist shooting his comrades?

(As if you didn't know. But you still try on the equivocation. A bit of Churchillian "Eradication of feeble-mindednss" would be just the treatment for you: a sock filled with wet sand, bang! on the back of the head. It could bring only good.)
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Reply #27 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 12:36am
 
As I've already relayed to you soren, a Christian soldier earlier this year opened fire and killed 5 of his comrades... what more evidence do you need??? None, because no matter what the circumstances, it all comes back to Islam for you, doesn't it?
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Reply #28 - Nov 10th, 2009 at 11:00am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 12:36am:
As I've already relayed to you soren, a Christian soldier earlier this year opened fire and killed 5 of his comrades... what more evidence do you need??? None, because no matter what the circumstances, it all comes back to Islam for you, doesn't it?



Nonsense. You are making it up.

There was no 'christian' soldier or 'atheist' soldier killing his comrades  earlier this year with the Lord's Prayer or 'Viva Dawkins' on his lips - or whatever you consider the equivalent of "Allas's at the Bar", the Mahomedan cry of jihadi martyrdom.

There have been religiously motivated killing of comrades in arms by Mahomedans. And you regard them as heros and martyrs.

If anyone pulls a gun on his comrades and says that Jesus or Gandhi told him to kill, he'd be regarded as insane or a lying cowardly  bastard.

Martryrs doing Allan's work versus insane, cowardly criminals  - there's the difference, in a nutshell.


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Reply #29 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 8:53am
 


Theodore Dalrymple in the Daily Express
http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/145370/Christianity-has-been-demoted-b...

BY FAR the most significant thing about the case against Benjamin and Sharon Vogelenzang was that it reached a court of law in the first place. This evangelical Christian couple who run a hotel were accused of making derogatory remarks about the religion of one of their guests, Ericka Tazi, a Muslim convert, and thereby spreading religious hatred and contempt. Mrs Tazi was found to have exaggerated the couple’s verbal abuse grossly but the fact that the case was thrown out of court should not blind us to the insidious and creeping reign of terror that the Government has introduced in Britain by facilitating this kind of prosecution.

While the criminal justice system actively promotes real crime by its refusal to repress it vigorously, it attempts to make criminals of Mr and Mrs Vogelenzang because they expressed forthright Christian beliefs.

Apart from this, however, there is the strong suspicion that if the boot had been on the other foot, if the Vogelenzangs had complained about remarks made by Mrs Tazi about their religion, no case would have come to court. THE reason for the difference in approach is an officially-sponsored indifference or hostility to anything which might be considered part of the European and British cultural and religious heritage, combined with a  tender regard for any non- European and non-British  cultural heritage.
This is now so marked a trait that it could almost be called racist. No British minister would go to Brick Lane in East London and say it was horribly Bangladeshi but a British minister had no compunction at all in complaining of an institution that it was “horribly white”.

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We are fortunate enough to be the inheritors of a tradition as great as (though not necessarily greater than) any that exists in the world. Why should we reject it? I write these words from India, where it is far easier to find genuine and knowledgeable admirers of British culture than it is among our own  political class. This surely is the saddest possible commentary on our condition.


As always, Dr Dalrymple has accurately taken the temperature of not only Britain but to a largish extent all Western countries.

There are a lot of cultural self-flgellators in this country, too, some are as possessed by it as to convert to  imported, inferior cultural creeds like the bint in this story or as our own resident Bin Ladenist. To side with such ill-adjusted people, to seek their approval and accommodation is as mad as they are.

They can practice their religion as long as they understand that this permission is entirely thanks to the graciousness of the host cultures of Western countries.

If ordinary people and their elected representatives do not recognise and stand for (and stand up for) the merits of western culture, then nazis will. 




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