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Reply #30 - May 27th, 2009 at 9:52am
 
Meanwhile back to reality...

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/press/proved_no_climate_crisis.html

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WASHINGTON (7-15-08) - Mathematical proof that there is no “climate crisis” appears today in a major, peer-reviewed paper in Physics and Society, a learned journal of the 4,600-strong American Physical Society, SPPI reports.

Christopher Monckton, who once advised Margaret Thatcher, demonstrates via 30 equations that computer models used by the UN’s climate panel (IPCC) were pre-programmed with overstated values for the three variables whose product is “climate sensitivity” (temperature increase in response to greenhouse-gas increase), resulting in a 500-2000% overstatement of CO2’s effect on temperature in the IPCC’s latest climate assessment report, published in 2007.

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Reply #31 - May 27th, 2009 at 9:55am
 
Lord Monckton’s paper reveals that –


The IPCC’s 2007 climate summary overstated CO2’s impact on temperature by 500-2000%;

CO2 enrichment will add little more than 1 °F (0.6 °C) to global mean surface temperature by 2100;

Not one of the three key variables whose product is climate sensitivity can be measured directly;

The IPCC’s values for these key variables are taken from only four published papers, not 2,500;

The IPCC’s values for each of the three variables, and hence for climate sensitivity, are overstated;

“Global warming” halted ten years ago, and surface temperature has been falling for seven years;

Not one of the computer models relied upon by the IPCC predicted so long and rapid a cooling;

The IPCC inserted a table into the scientists’ draft, overstating the effect of ice-melt by 1000%;

It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible;

Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;

In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years.
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Reply #32 - May 27th, 2009 at 9:54pm
 
Grendel, how about instead of feverishly gathering evidence to support your argument, you figure out what your argument actually is?
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Reply #33 - May 27th, 2009 at 10:04pm
 
You are still an idiot I see fd.
I know what I believe...  said it often enough.
Oh and I know what my argument is.  the fact you keep being either disingenuous or stupid says much more about you.
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Reply #34 - May 28th, 2009 at 8:16am
 
Soren wrote on May 26th, 2009 at 7:18pm:
Grendel wrote on May 25th, 2009 at 9:32pm:
Oh...  the predictions changed due to NEW DATA...  guess what?
They'll keep changing till one day maybe in a few decades maybe much longer they know enough about climate.

OMG...  now its Methane...   as well as CO2?  Stop farting everyone.


Don't exhale, fart, warm yourself, cool yourself, travel, farm, fish, hunt, reproduce. I can see the headline:

Life - it's killing the planet







Soren,

Are you saying that you didn't know that methane was a greenhouse gas either? Perhaps Grendel is not alone.

I wonder how many other people are blissfully ignorant of the fact that methane is a greenhouse gas with roughly 20 times the greenhouse gas potential of CO2?  Some figures show 8 times, but it depends on the time scale - methane slowly breaks down in the atmosphere.

Grendel,

I can't stay on this forum every waking hour, so don't always expect instant replies.

It's an ongoing 'problem'. You see, I have a life.

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Reply #35 - May 28th, 2009 at 8:24am
 
Grendel wrote on May 27th, 2009 at 9:55am:
Lord Monckton’s paper reveals that –

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Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;

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Note - Christopher Monckton has never carried out any climate research in his life. He's just a mouth for the right wing lobby - and yes - Al Gore's a mouth too, but he doesn't attempt to write scientific papers.

The third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley is not qualified to comment on any of these things, except perhaps the reference to Mars, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto.

- but that's by virtue of his only qualifications - a degree in classics and ancient history and by the way, a diploma in journalism.

There is no science in that report. He is not even a scientist.

I shudder to think what advice he gave Margaret Thatcher as her Science Advisor. (Although to be honest, we're not much better off with Peter Garret. )

By the way, he's another cohort of the Magnificient Seven previously mentioned. What a fine team they make  Grin  
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Reply #36 - May 28th, 2009 at 8:29am
 
Oh dear being hypocritical again.

All those scientists etc  that back climate change etc that aren't published or climate scientists are obviously all scientific dunderheads...  we'll just have to stop quoting them and giving their support weight then won't we?

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You are such a hypocrite.
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Reply #37 - May 28th, 2009 at 8:33am
 
Grendel wrote on May 28th, 2009 at 8:29am:
Oh dear being hypocritical again.

All those scientists etc  that back climate change etc that aren't published or climate scientists are obviously all scientific dunderheads...  we'll just have to stop quoting them and giving their support weight then won't we?

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You are such a hypocrite.


Grendel - It's quite simple. If you had a toothache, would you go to a dentist or a plumber?
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Reply #38 - May 28th, 2009 at 8:42am
 
2 things Muso...
1/ don't lie about what I know or don't know.
2/ dont infer I'm impatient about your responses...  the timing of which I have never even mentioned.

Oh dear a liar and a hypocrite....  credibility heading south at a rapid rate.


As for simplicity...  just stop ignoring the facts and shooting messengers,
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Reply #39 - May 28th, 2009 at 8:55am
 
muso wrote on May 28th, 2009 at 8:33am:
Grendel - It's quite simple. If you had a toothache, would you go to a dentist or a plumber?


So what is a 'climate scientist' Muso? The subject covers so many diverse fields: physics, biology, chemistry, oceanography, geology to name a few. How many so called climate scientists are really on top of all these fields and how many are really just going along with the bandwagon?
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Reply #40 - May 28th, 2009 at 8:58am
 
"Climate Scientists" are obviously only those people who agree with anthropogenic causes for; global warming...  global cooling...  global dimming...  ah...  global warming....  ahhhhh...  climate change.  Cheesy

I'm just wondering if Muso should stop listening to himself, since his qualifications might not hold weight...  unless he uses the above definition.
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Reply #41 - May 28th, 2009 at 9:37am
 
muso wrote on May 28th, 2009 at 8:24am:
Grendel wrote on May 27th, 2009 at 9:55am:
Lord Monckton’s paper reveals that –

.........

Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;

.......


Note - Christopher Monckton has never carried out any climate research in his life. He's just a mouth for the right wing lobby - and yes - Al Gore's a mouth too, but he doesn't attempt to write scientific papers.

The third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley is not qualified to comment on any of these things, except perhaps the reference to Mars, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto.

- but that's by virtue of his only qualifications - a degree in classics and ancient history and by the way, a diploma in journalism.

There is no science in that report. He is not even a scientist.

I shudder to think what advice he gave Margaret Thatcher as her Science Advisor. (Although to be honest, we're not much better off with Peter Garret. )

By the way, he's another cohort of the Magnificient Seven previously mentioned. What a fine team they make  Grin  


Arr, it seems most of what boofy posts is questionable at best but in most cases unsubstantiated bunkum that is put out there by the oil companies in order to peddle their agenda. I wonder why the world is flat brigade are sooooooooo gullible.
Tho I suspect many people like boofy have an alternate agenda, they probably earn a living from one of these companies and see it in their interest to spread the lies, luckily most aussies are far too smart for their lies.
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Reply #42 - May 28th, 2009 at 8:16pm
 
Plumbers and dentists are useful while "climate scientists" are not. It is that simple really.

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Reply #43 - May 29th, 2009 at 12:57am
 
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Arr, it seems most of what boofy posts is questionable at best but in most cases unsubstantiated bunkum that is put out there by the oil companies in order to peddle their agenda. I wonder why the world is flat brigade are sooooooooo gullible.
Tho I suspect many people like boofy have an alternate agenda, they probably earn a living from one of these companies and see it in their interest to spread the lies, luckily most aussies are far too smart for their lies.


You are very conformist,  intellectuallly, for a little red devil. You always seem to be running with the herd. Do you feel any tension there?



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Reply #44 - May 30th, 2009 at 10:47am
 
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I know what I believe...  said it often enough.


Grendel, it's great that you know what you believe. The next step is to be able to communicate it effectively. You could have mumbled it to yourself a million times, but you stumble every time I ask you to say it. The genuine test of your understand is being able to explain it to others such that they aslo understand. So far, you are failing at that. You have substituted accumulating evidence for being able to explain the argument the evidence is supposed to support. It may be easier and less challenging, but it wastes your time and mine.

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Oh and I know what my argument is.


Ditto.

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the fact you keep being either disingenuous or stupid says much more about you.


I am highlighting genuine flaws in your argument. Or at least, what I think your argument is, as you don't seem very keen to explain it now. Maybe you expect us to read your mind? Maybe you just don't want to confirm that the evidence you provide does not actually support your position.
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