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Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers
Reply #45 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 7:57am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11^th, 2009 at 9:41pm:

more slogans and quotes by whackos like khomeini.

As long as it satisfies your 'intellect', why not.

abu,

Exactly correct.

The Hadith is full of him [the chief whacko]....

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.0...

ISLAMIC texts, and the authorised schools of ISLAMIC jurisprudence, determine who is, and is not, a muslim.

ISLAM itself, defines who is a muslim.

And to be muslim, a muslim must accept the doctrines of ISLAM,
....which insist that it is 'legal', to

murder anyone who will not submit to ISLAM, and
murder anyone who renounces his faith [in ISLAM], and to
deceive those non-muslims who are too strong [atm] to subjugate.

THOSE ARE FACTS.

Every real whacko, er, muslim believes he has a right to murder those, who refuse to submit to ISLAM,
....because ISLAMIC 'holy' texts sanctify such an action.

And Muhammad, er Allah, can't be wrong!

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

From ISLAMIC law texts....

Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them BECOMES AN UNBELIEVER and HIS BLOOD MAY LEGALLY BE SPILLED. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."....

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

Paraphrasing the meaning...

"Whoever.....becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

AND 'SANE' MUSLIMS ALL AGREE - KILL THE APOSTATE....

APOSTASY IN ISLAM
"Apostasy in Islam is commonly defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.
The FOUR MAJOR SUNNI AND THE ONE MAJOR SHIA MADH'HAB (SCHOOLS OF ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE) AGREE that a sane adult male apostate must be executed......"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers
Reply #46 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 9:35am

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"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

Notice the use of the pronoun "I". Not "We" or "You". This command was purely for the Messenger (pbuh).

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Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

It's the same in most countries today, including Christian countries. God then country.

What's wrong with being prepared to fight to defend your country? I would've thought most would consider it a noble cause.

Nothing untoward there, sorry.

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Every real whacko, er, muslim believes he has a right to murder those, who refuse to submit to ISLAM

Well I am a Muslim, and I don't believe I have that right. And I've never come across another Muslim who's made that claim. Sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

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AND 'SANE' MUSLIMS ALL AGREE - KILL THE APOSTATE

The Islamic texts stipulate it is the one who abandons Islam AND the community, ie. a traitor. Death penalty is quite common for treason, so again, nothing out of the ordinary.

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Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers
Reply #47 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 10:22am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 12^th, 2009 at 9:35am:

Quote:

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

Notice the use of the pronoun "I". Not "We" or "You". This command was purely for the Messenger (pbuh).

Mere semantics.

Dictionary,
semantics = =
1 the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning.
2 the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text.

"Words are leaves that blow away in the wind."

abu,

Your semantics are all very well, but unfortunately for your logic,
.....the day to day actions of muslims today, demonstrate that their beliefs do not coincide with your interpretations.

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Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

It's the same in most countries today, including Christian countries. God then country.

What's wrong with being prepared to fight to defend your country? I would've thought most would consider it a noble cause.

Nothing untoward there, sorry.

abu,

Again, [above] your are misrepresenting, muslim intentions.

Muslim intentions....

INTENTION OF ACTION, REVEALS SO MUCH

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Every real whacko, er, muslim believes he has a right to murder those, who refuse to submit to ISLAM

Well I am a Muslim, and I don't believe I have that right. And I've never come across another Muslim who's made that claim. Sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

abu,

These news reports gives the lie to your words [about muslim intent].

An ISLAMIC scholar gives advice to muslims,

Example #1,

ISLAMIC scholar being extraordinarily candid!

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should **preach** peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, **only until** they gain enough power to engage in battle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

An ISLAMIC scholar gives advice to muslims,

Example #2,

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
By Duncan Gardham
01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".
The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/01/nplot901.xmli

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AND 'SANE' MUSLIMS ALL AGREE - KILL THE APOSTATE

The Islamic texts stipulate it is the one who abandons Islam AND the community, ie. a traitor. Death penalty is quite common for treason, so again, nothing out of the ordinary.

abu,

Exactly so.

Thank you.

'Death to those traitors who insult ISLAM/Allah, by relinquishing their faith'.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers Reply #48 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 1:05pm Quote: These news reports gives the lie to your words [about muslim intent]. Two news reports speak for 1.6 billion Muslims? I don't think so. All they do is highlight your bigoted viewpoints.
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Reply #49 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 1:21pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 12^th, 2009 at 1:05pm:

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These news reports gives the lie to your words [about muslim intent].

Two news reports speak for 1.6 billion Muslims? I don't think so.

All they do is highlight your bigoted viewpoints.

abu,

You don't like the TRUTH, so when the TRUTH is exposed, it's Yadda is a 'bigot'?

That is 'rich', coming from one of Allah's finest!!!! Grin

Dictionary,
bigot = = a person who is.....intolerant of the opinions of others.

Next you'll be calling Yadda a 'racist'?

It is just too easy for you muslims to disparage, and denigrate ppl who reveal TRUTH's about ISLAM, which you [muslims] hate being exposed.

Much better to place ppl like me into a Sharia jurisdiction, where they can be killed for 'insulting' ISLAM.

'Just wait Yadda, until the Caliphate comes here!'
Grin

Allah Akbar! Cheesy

Or was that, 'Inshallah' ??? Wink

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Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers
Reply #50 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 1:50pm

That's your 'light hearted' way of avoiding the fact that you are judging a massive amount of people based on the statements/actions of the disgruntled few?

I am not intolerant of your opinions, if I were, I wouldn't be wasting my time engaging you, I'd simply ignore you, and wait for the almighty Caliphate to clean you up.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers Reply #51 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 1:54pm ooooooh....everybody head for the hills, the almighty caliphate is coming!!! RUN!!!!
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Reply #52 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 2:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 12^th, 2009 at 1:50pm:

That's your 'light hearted' way of avoiding the fact that you are judging a massive amount of people based on the statements/actions of the disgruntled few?

I am not intolerant of your opinions, if I were, I wouldn't be wasting my time engaging you, I'd simply ignore you, and wait for the almighty Caliphate to clean you up.

abu,

Your claim is,
".....you are judging a massive amount of people based on the statements/actions of the disgruntled few."

I claim, myself [and others] are pointing out the TRUTH.

Which muslims hate, because deep within [in your heart], you know that the TRUTH is a witness against you, before God.

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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers Reply #53 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 2:02pm When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a woman in the audience stood up and said, "Yes, but is it the God of the Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?" Quentin Crisp
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Reply #54 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 2:10pm

locutius wrote on Mar 12^th, 2009 at 2:02pm:

When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a woman in the audience stood up and said, "Yes, but is it the God of the Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?"
Quentin Crisp

locutius,

'My God, is bigger than his God!!' Tongue

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers Reply #55 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 5:05pm Quote: ooooooh....everybody head for the hills, the almighty caliphate is coming!!! RUN!!!! If only you possessed the bare minimum of intellect to comprehend that this is precisely my point
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers Reply #56 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 5:11pm Sarcasm still too subtle for you.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers Reply #57 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 6:47pm As I figured, you do not. Keep at it, you might get it eventually.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40816 Gender:	Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers Reply #58 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 7:12pm the more people of the free world learn about islam the further away a caliphate is. thanks for your teaching abu.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Christian militants kill U.K soldiers Reply #59 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 7:15pm abu_rashid wrote on Mar 12^th, 2009 at 6:47pm: As I figured, you do not. Keep at it, you might get it eventually. No, I get it. I just won't try and embarrass you anymore.
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