Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 5^th, 2009 at 9:53pm:




sprint,

Can you identify one, a moderate muslim?

And feel confident that, that muslim will still be 'moderate',
.....when your back is turned?



Please understand ppl, ISLAM is about treachery, deceit, and violence.

But most of all, ISLAM is about treachery.


Whatever, a muslim tells you, [if you are a non-muslim] you can not take it at face value.


ISLAM is treachery.

yes, it depends on who "controls" islam as to where it goes.

the majority of muslims are ordinary ordinary people.
It's only the radical leaders we are concerned with.

Quote:


I don't. I let Muslims do that themselves. If someone self identifies with a particular religion, that is usually good enough for me.

There are plenty of Muslims who believe in Sharia law but don't believe in terrorism. And remember, just as each Muslim will have a different view on what being a Muslim means, each will have a different view on Sharia. For example, someone posted a poll elsewhere stating that the majority of British Muslims do not believe in the death penalty for apostates.

The history of the middle east clearly shows that Muslims do not naturally form a monolithic group, any more than Christians do. If they did, a new empire would simply spring up to replace the old one. It would be unstopable. There is clearly something other than religious conviction guiding them. It's called being human.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 5^th, 2009 at 10:36pm:

Sprint - I think the bottle should read one tablet every six hours.

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2009 at 10:32pm:






Letting a muslim define himself [...to you], is like freediving in the ocean, and letting a White Pointer which you encounter, 'define itself'.
....i.e. ignoring the consequences of the White Pointer's temperament, power and intent.


Good luck.

When the White Pointer sees you swimming in your black wetsuit, you are just a meal, perhaps a seal meal.


ISLAM breeds predators of a different kind, but they are still predators, who will kill you if you become too complacent about their [true] intentions.






TRUE ISLAM?

Moderate muslims?

Take a lesson from the words of Abraham Lincoln,


Abraham Lincoln




Google,
persecution muslim countries
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=persecution+muslim+countries&btnG=Search...

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 5^th, 2009 at 9:53pm:


But to have nothing to fear from moderates, you are talking about fringe dwellers who wrongly interpret the Koran and the Hadith and who reject settled Islamic doctrine.

But moderate Jews dont believe in conquering the world and installing jewish laws. Moderate muslims do. that is what Islam is, a supremacist ideology devoted to teh destruction of everything that is non-Islamic through warfare.

That is settled doctrine amongst all the main schools of Islam - you must wage war against the unbelievers in the Dar al Harb.  You must install muslim government and muslim laws, and all your days, waking hours, activities are devoted to this aim. The only time there will ever be peace - is win Islam has won and all of the infidels are dead or dhimmis.

Just because a muslim is not openly fighting, do not think he is not waging jihad. Jihad can be waged in stealth, by subverting the 'miserable house' of the institutions of the West, as the Muslim Brotherhood says.

Regular - ordinary - Islam beleives you need to wage war against unbelievers and install sharia government. People need to understand this. It is not weirdo extremists that believe that, but that is what regular Islam is.

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2009 at 10:07pm:



FD,

An interesting item here from the UK,
....about the consequences of cuddling up to 'moderate' muslims, or should i say cuddling up to 'full on' devout muslims, who portray themselves as 'moderate' muslims.

March 9, 2009
UK funds meant to counter Muslim "radicalization" being used to...radicalize Muslims
Oops. "£90m anti-terrorism project is fanning the flames of extremism," by Duncan Gardham in the Telegraph, March 9 (thanks to David):
....Did they say which moderates were being ignored? This is an important question, because obviously the UK government didn't set out to fund "extremists." The people they were giving money to presented themselves as "moderates,"...
.....The Government is "underwriting the very Islamist ideology which spawns an illiberal, intolerant and anti-western world view" the report says.
"Political and theological extremists, acting with the authority conferred by official recognition, are indoctrinating young people with an ideology of hostility to western values."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025156.php




This item above exposes the tactics of lies and deceit, used by the ISLAMISTS.

And this tactic is also being employed in Pakistan, where the West is pandering in the same way, to the regime of the  'moderate' muslims in Pakistan.

And we don't care.

Our political 'leaders' are blind to the deep evil in our midst, which they are even 'accommodating' and funding.

"....Wake up!
The regime in Pakistan is engaging in ISLAMIC treachery against the West, and it is 'playing' the West like a fiddle!
Wake up!
And smell the flowers."

"Terrorist Attack on Sri Lankan cricket team"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1236058544/28#28

Calanen wrote on Mar 14^th, 2009 at 3:35pm:




Sadly, "only fools" do!
....[ignore ISLAM's deception, of its 'enemies', us.]